Hawaii Official Who Died After Crash Wore Infant Life Vest

AssociatedPress ^ | May 5, 2016, 8:31 PM ET | Jennifer Sinco Kelleher

[LucyT]

Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane she was traveling in crashed into the ocean was wearing an infant life vest and the pilot didn't give a safety briefing before takeoff, according to details in a National Transportation Safety Board report.

An autopsy determined Loretta Fuddy died of an irregular heartbeat from hyperventilating after she exited the plane, which landed in choppy water off the island of Molokai. The pilot and seven other passengers on the 2013 Makani Kai Air flight survived.

Pilot Clyde Kawasaki reported to the NTSB that he heard a loud bang, followed by an immediate loss of engine power soon after the single-engine Cessna took off from Molokai, headed for Honolulu.

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[WildHighlander57]

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Hawaii Official Who Died After Crash Wore Infant Life Vest, rx wrote

“...People floated around in various orientations that belie they were not facing any strong wind or water current that would (as claimed by FP) have whisked them from the plane area “within a minute” if they didn’t hang onto the airplane. Those were just part of the lies that were uniformly on passengers’ and others’ (to include WH57) lips. ...”

In this post #352:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=352#352

I was referring to 4zoltans comment in #350about the turbulence in the cabin, not in the water after the landing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=350#350

From rx’s post:

“...Those were just part of the lies that were uniformly on passengers’ and others’ (to include WH57) lips. ...,”

What the pax said in their statements about the water and what I said about the cabin turbulence are two entirely different things.

Strong words, to call me a liar.

Not. Good.

[Fantasywriter]

One thing is certain. Namely, that there are enough misstatements, contradictions, anomalies and outright falsehoods connected with this incident to choke a T-Rex. I can’t list them all bc I’ve only followed the case casually since the first mo or so. It seems that every time I glance at a thread, three or four new, verifiable contradictions and falsehoods are listed. It’s been that way from day one.

Unfortunately, it’s unlikely anyone will ever get to the bottom of the issue. That is bc highly improbable theories keep overshadowing the facts. I am 99.9 percent convinced there was malfeasance involved, but as long as the focus remains on long-shot theories, it will never be uncovered. That is just a shame.

Here is my theory. Fuddy is dead. She was meant to die. She needed to be dead bc she was the weak link in Obama’s BC scam. Had she been questioned, she would not have outright lied. [I covered earlier that she was not in on the cut and paste concoction. She was simply given the finished product and told it was real.] In giving truthful testimony, she’d have let the cat out of the bag. [I.e.: she’d have unwittingly fingered the perps.] So she had to go.

Further elements of my theory. Neither the pilot nor any passenger was in on it. Whoever planned it(I.e.: tampered with the plane’s engine) didn’t care if they were all injured or even killed. As long as Fuddy died, mission accomplished.

The hardest part would have been insuring that even if the others lived, Fuddy wouldn’t. How was that accomplished? The simplest solution in such a case is often the truth.

For example, was Fuddy on blood pressure medication? If so, substituting placebos for the real thing even for two or three days ahead if the incident would have done the trick. If an obese, out of condition person misses their bp meds for even 48 hrs, their blood pressure spikes. No way Fuddy was going to survive the stress of a crash-water-landing if her bp was already stratospheric.

If she wasn’t on bp meds, something similar could have been arranged. It wouldn’t be hard for a person or persons with sufficient resources and motivation.

I wish someone more familiar with this incident could list ALL the misstatements, contradictions, lies and anomalies. It would be helpful to see them all in one format.

Anyway, list or no list, that’s my theory. It’s relatively simple, and certainly does explain why the lies and contradictions have multiplied from the beginning. Something is being hidden; it’s just not as elaborate and complicated a something as some have conjectured.

My schedule is such that, should anyone comment on the theory, I can’t guarantee a timely reply. We’ll just have to see how it goes.

[smokingfrog]

It is curious that one of the survivors on the rescue helicopter with LF thought that she might have still been alive.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/609125/Survivor-recalls—tragic-crash—off-Molokai-in-2013.html?nav=10

[rx]

The entirety of your post: Yep, they had a rough ride & were lucky to survive. lacked much context.

Given that minimal context, I apologize, but it seemed to me you were talking about the entirely of the aftermath.

Nonetheless, your comments more largely seem entirely to be based on the videographer's jostling, not the actual plane's (inferred) buffeting.

As you know, I've watched the video many times, frame-by-frame at full, half, double, etc. speeds. I don't see passengers in that sequence spending significant time (as in none) firmly grasping unmovable objects to keep themselves steady. I see many hands moving about freely.

As elsewhere, the videographer does a nicely-planned job throughout of jostling his cameras to make it appear everything was tumbling when it wasn't.

The uniformity of the lie of how horrible the waves were contrasts entirely with the unimpeachable witness of video frames.

The clear commonality of your repeating what the passengers and others falsely said about the entirely of the aftermath implicitly leaves such comments as properly suspect if not to be rejected out of hand.

[butterdezillion]

You said there was one lifejacket missing and it’s obviously Fuddy’s. I’m saying it seems pretty clear that none of those lifejackets is what Marilyn was using so it must be Marilyn’s that is missing from the NTSB’s line-up.

It’s not rocket science.

I have enough frustration dealing with my husband whose Mayo Clinic diagnosis of Posterior Cortical Atrophy gives him a reason to be confused. He is never willfully confused though, and it is a joy to be with him for that reason. I am going to spend my one day off this week with him.

[rx]

Not to worry, Fuddy provably lives, as shown in #247!   Upon FH's and the pilots confirmation of her extraction and successful replacement, FH begins his trek to shore as seen in the following graphic:

The videographer called them all to shore some 45 minutes after ditching (as heard in the ABC video). He obviously considered it feasible. FH proved it, even starting about that time. Why did only person do it? Why didn't FP make that call 45 minutes earlier? They were only 50 or so yards closer to shore there than they were that when at the original crash site.

That videographer sure is cruel to make seriously injured passengers wait an extra 45 minutes out on the water when the townspeople that had gathered at the airport should have been able to get them out quickly.

[Fantasywriter]

Fuddy is dead. If you could go back far enough in my posting history, you’d see that the only two images I ever posted were one of Fuddy alive, for comparison, and one of her dead. In the dead pic she’s drifted well away from the rest of the group. Although it was shot at something of a distance, it’s clearly Fuddy. It’s also, apologies to her family, a death’s head. As in, she was VERY dead.

I know I can’t convince you. All I can do is tell you that I am personally convinced. The reasons to need Fuddy dead far outweigh an unmanageably elaborate plan to keep her alive.

That’s my conclusion, ymmv.

[WildHighlander57]

Regarding the bottom pic in your post #400

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=400#400

Sequence pix 1-7 here show that keys had not yet gotten his hair wet.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=384#384

Also, the bottom pic in your post #400 shows water background in the triangle formed by Mr Key’s right shoulder, chin, and left forearm.

Also water behind the hair & back.

No mannikin is being carried next to him.

[WildHighlander57]

Smokingfrog, good point here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=403#403

If that’s the case (fuddy alive (albeit barely**)) when rescued, then there would be no need to have previously swapped her for a smuggled mannikin.

**See bottom two pix here (h/t rx), one where she’s upright, then other where she’s laying flat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=247#247

[rx]

Repeating a thing doesn't make it "more correct."

By avoiding comment about the red hair that is seen at the middle of JK's back (and note, JK's head is not tilted backwards), which cannot be his brown hair that only went to the top of his shoulders, you are avoiding advancement of the debate.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Rescue swimmer Mark Peer said when he swam to Fuddy, she was unresponsive and he couldn’t find a pulse. ‘It was not a good feeling,’ he said.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523417/Health-director-released-Obamas-birth-certificate-clung-deputys-hand-final-moments-life-Hawaii-plane-crash.html

[4Zoltan]

"Anything could have happened while Puentes videotaped everybody’s feet, right before this."

Are claiming that Jake passed the manikin over the top of the seats to Yamamoto? Why? In fact, why not put the manikin in the empty ninth seat which was right by the back door?

[rx]

If Fuddy exited the scenario to be replaced by a tall, skinny diver that had clearly different shoes on than she and is very different in size comparison to Yamamoto (see bottom, right frames of):
Then after being in the care of military-trained divers, she somehow would've had to re-enter the scenario, purportedly drifting a mile west over the course of 15-20 minutes in water that will elsewhere be shown to be traveling at .32mph, to die. Talk about unlikely, especially given all these other lies and shenanigans! Physics doesn't allow such "bending" of the facts.

When asked (8/15) whether Bruce Briley could firmly say that what was next to him in the helicopter was Ms Fuddy, he told the interviewer that the interviewer, "needed to understand [he, BB] was "non compos mentis" not in his right mind, and couldn't say for certain.'

In every event, at TV news report carried news of a death in the crash aftermath a mere three minutes after the first swimmer came upon Fuddy. He "according to protocols" left her for dead, performed no CPR on her, as protocols would have required were she not "certainly dead", though she (ok, the real Ms Fuddy) had been alive within the half hour preceding (we have that video of her kicking her legs and around all the other plane occupants).

A mere 40 minutes later a second USCG swimmer hoisted her into his helicopter, whereupon he and his team pronounced her "CRITICAL."

We might imagine why BB might have difficulty owning up to the two "different" stories.

[4Zoltan]

Thanks for this photo, they prove that it is Jake's hair and not a manikin's.

Jake's upper body is dry. His head is dry. His hair is dry. No drops of water anywhere on his upper body. That's because when Jake exited the plane he was holding the rope handle to the stairs and he swung himself around. Obviously after he swam to the wing his hair and entire shirt got wet.

Thanks for providing the proof.

[rx]

Your query: In fact, why not put the manikin in the empty ninth seat which was right by the back door?

Asking distracting, nonsensical and irrelevant questions that have nothing to do with your claim of being a "fact", is out of order, despite how it may be part of the "game" you've claimed you're playing on this thread.

[Fantasywriter]

The first rescue swimmer to reach Fuddy couldn’t find a pulse or get a response. I’ll have to leave it at that.

[4Zoltan]

Right, it is nonsensical to put a manikin in an available empty seat right next to the exit but makes perfect sense to squeeze it onto the lap of one of the passengers. Who then passes it forward like a football, as he goes to the back of the plane (right by the empty seat) and then magically has the manikin appear next to him with bone dry hair in the water.

So why in this image that you provided is the manikin hair bone dry?

[WildHighlander57]

Rx,

Water background at

Key’s chin, right shoulder & left forearm,

his back,

and under left arm,

shows that there was —NO— room for a mannikin anywhere,

See Bottom pic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=400#400

See Sequence pics 1-7
:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=384#384

See top pic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=258#258

If there’s no room for a mannikin —anywhere— in those pics, then the length of Key’s hair doesn’t matter .

What did the “mannikin” do, pop up like “ Kilroy was here” -—just— in that one pic in #258?

[rx]

Among the five adult life jackets arrayed for the cameras, three are labeled with blue tape and marker. On the left is Yamamoto's and on the right, one for each of Rosa and Jake.:
only two are unlabeled. One would have to be the videographer's and the other would be the one Marilyn Briley's wore after she gave up the phallic-electronic one (see post #385.

Among the video frames, neither Bruce Briley nor the pilot are seen to wear a life jacket. Those two and Ms Fuddy seemed to exhibit a fortuitous ability to float without one. (Ms Fuddy's legs and feet are atop the water even though her life jacket is four feet toward her head.)

Since the second infant life jacket was found with an unpunctured CO2 cartridge and Ms Fuddy was seen at the starboard fuselage with a fully inflated (adult) life jacket, as also seen at the end of the scenario on the replacement diver:
Since the replacement-Fuddy also exited the scenario, it might be considered reasonable that the NTSB didn't collect the one he was wearing, which may well have been the one Fuddy also had worn prior to exiting the scenario. After exiting the scenario, she would have no further need of it.

No one is seen to be wearing the infant life jacket that had an unpunctured CO2 cartridge that the NTSB found.

(Or shall I say, "claimed to find?" Surely the NTSB's spotless reputation should not allow our minds to consider whether the NTSB would make any false representations or do anything inappropriate with evidence, right?)

[rx]

It's entirely your conjecture that the mannequin's hair is bone dry in that picture.

Certainly the way we see plunge JK headlong over the railing and into the water suggests he had little regard for keeping anything dry, even an old iPhone in his left shorts pocket. It looks as if at least the right half of his body got all wet:
A mannequin's wig may not soak up water the way you might expect, or when JK may have thrown in onto the water (afterward for you to find his right hand empty), he would have some justification for rushing headlong out of camera's view--for the most part--to retrieve that mannequin. That mannequin body may not have sunk into the water much at at. Even the original Ms Fuddy's body stayed atop the water amazingly well.

In every picture we absolutely know must be of Jake and can't be a mannequin, JK's hair is brown, not red even in direct sunlight.

Furthermore, you've never answered how Jake's hair only only comes to the top of this shoulders and this red hair in the picture comes down at least to his mid back, perhaps lower.