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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD April 29, 2016
freerepublic | April 29, 2016 | greeneyes

Posted on 04/29/2016 2:12:39 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won't be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table(recipes)preserving, good living - there is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; garden; hobby
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Could be.
I like Cheerios for breakfast, tho...
101 posted on 05/01/2016 4:44:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: greeneyes
greeneyes : " Thanks for posting this. Cooler Air? Cooler ocean? But what of Global Warming? LOL"

Bastardi is one of the climatologists who say that man-made climate change is a bunch of 'hoo-ey', and better to leave it on the compost heap !
It is a challenge to post his 'Saturday report' as you never know whether he will post at 10 AM or at 5:40 PM !
I report what I have heard, as Bastardi talks fast, and I have a problem keeping up, especially if he gives a disjointed report, switching timelines .
Please don't shoot the messenger for the report, especially about rain and tornadoes .
If i wanted to get shot at , I would post on the politics thread ! LMAO !

102 posted on 05/01/2016 9:06:08 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Well if you can catch more than 3 words, you have done better than I can-he does talk sooooo fast.

I knew he didn’t believe in the Global Warming. That’s why I posted the question with LOL.

Like I said, Bastardi Rocks. Thanks for the posting, it is appreciated.


103 posted on 05/01/2016 10:21:20 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: tubebender

LOL. Thanks for the cheerful posting.


104 posted on 05/01/2016 10:22:14 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; painter; ANKE69
I have heard to leave the skinny asparagus shoots in place to build up strength and production for next year.

Those are on there because I wasn't out there picking when I should have been picking. lol

I planted my asparagus bed in 2008 and didn't pick anything from it the first three years. Very light pickings the next two years. Last year I picked it clean til the end of May and I plan on working it the same way this spring. I add 2"-3" of compost on top every year after the tops die back. It seems to be working.

As far as letting it go to seed... male plants will give you more asparagus to eat. Female plants will give you wild asparagus all over the neighborhood. I leave one female plant in my patch just for that purpose. Any new ones that show up get plucked and chucked.

105 posted on 05/02/2016 12:18:04 PM PDT by Augie
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To: Augie; tubebender; ApplegateRanch; greeneyes; Ellendra
Augie :" .. Female plants will give you wild asparagus all over the neighborhood. .."

Certain species of birds will eat the seeds, and some of the seeds will not be fully digested ,
the bird travels elsewhere and drops excrement even as it flys
which, in reality becomes an asparagus seed encapsulated in fertilizer ( sorta like a yogurt raisin), ready to sprout elsewhere in the wild.
One of the first books I got on horticulture and foraging was : Euell Gibbons' book, "Stalking the Wild Asparagus",
and found some wild asparagus in a hedgerow adjoining a farm field in my then apartment , back yard.
I include foraging, herbology, grafting , hybrids and heirlooms as part of my horticulture education.

Augie : how can you know in the early season which stalk is male and which is female (seed producing) ?
Is it like squash where the males are the first to appear , followed by the female stalks (seed producers) ?
Are they sequential ?
Honestly , I don't know.

106 posted on 05/02/2016 1:44:59 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; tubebender; ApplegateRanch; greeneyes; Ellendra; painter; ANKE69
how can you know in the early season which stalk is male and which is female (seed producing) ?

I can't tell em apart until later in the year when they start to flower. There might be a way to tell the difference sooner, but I don't know what it is.

107 posted on 05/02/2016 2:01:46 PM PDT by Augie
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To: Augie

Thanks for the information. It helps a lot. As near as my wife and I can tell it the patches are 8 to 10yrs old. The patches are 30ft. by 5 ft.


108 posted on 05/02/2016 2:24:22 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: greeneyes

Yeah and fresh home-made pesto to go with those tomatoes! Yum, yum


109 posted on 05/02/2016 4:58:46 PM PDT by tob2 ("so much to do, so little time" anon.)
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To: painter; Augie
painter :" As near as my wife and I can tell it the patches are 8 to 10yrs old.
The patches are 30ft. by 5 ft."

An ideal size for an unusually large family , or for commercial sales.
Monticello has original asparagus beds that are over 200 years old, and are still productive.
They are dug up about every fifty years just to replenish the soil nutrients;
this demonstrates the value of a well dug and prepared original asparagus bed .

110 posted on 05/02/2016 5:44:15 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; painter
They are dug up about every fifty years just to replenish the soil nutrients; this demonstrates the value of a well dug and prepared original asparagus bed .

And there you have touched on the foundation to having good success growing asparagus.

What I like to do when preparing a new asparagus bed is to first dig up and completely remove the grass sod. I suppose you could kill it with an herbicide of some sort, but it's best not to spray poisons where you're going to be growing your food.

Next, dig out and set aside the soil to a minimum depth of approximately 12". Deeper is better if you have the gumption to do it. Then refill the trench with a 50/50 mix of the soil that came out, and whatever kind of good compost is readily available. Rotted cow/horse/chicken/rabbit manure is best if you can get it. Continue to refill until the trench is around 8" deep. Place the crowns leaving plenty of room in between them for future growth. They will get huge over time and they don't like to be crowded.

Cover the crowns with your soil/compost mix and then sit down and have a cold drink.

111 posted on 05/03/2016 6:35:13 AM PDT by Augie
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; Augie; tubebender; greeneyes; Ellendra

>>Augie : how can you know in the early season which stalk is male and which is female (seed producing) ?
Is it like squash where the males are the first to appear , followed by the female stalks (seed producers) ?
Are they sequential ? <<

My one female asparagus from my first planting tends to push stems after the males from the same planting, which were supposed to be all male crowns.

The stems are nearly twice as fat as the males, and there are considerably fewer of them.

Whether that holds true generally or not, I have no idea. I don’t remember the variety for certain, but I’m pretty sure it was Jersey Giant.

OTOH, just mark which plant produces orange berries; either the plant is male, or it is female, unlike squash, or so many other plants.


112 posted on 05/03/2016 7:45:57 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!�)
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To: tflabo
tflabo : "Endive— I believe escarole is a type of endive. My grandma made an awesome escarole dish— I tried growing it here but not too successful."

Just last night/early this morning,"Cooks Country" demonstrated Grilled Ceasar Salad using endive;
specificly, each grilled half-head had Ceasar dressing applied with a butter brush, and grilled over high heat for only 1 minute, which gave it char, but not wilted
and was served with fresh French bread sections made into sliced croutons,
lightly oiled and raw garlic rubbed across the bread sections while till warm (like garlic rubbed across toasted bread/sandpaper).
It sure looked tasty, and flavorful !..and simply done.

113 posted on 05/03/2016 10:40:47 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Augie; painter; ApplegateRanch
Augie :" .. Then refill the trench with a 50/50 mix of the soil that came out, and whatever kind of good compost is readily available..."

Thank you - yes , that is the technique for building a long-term planting of asparagus as I learned it.
Treat it as a long lasting perennial, that will likely outlast you and the next generation .

114 posted on 05/03/2016 10:51:33 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: ApplegateRanch; Augie; painter
ApplegateRanch :" OTOH, just mark which plant produces orange berries; either the plant is male, or it is female.."

Thank you - that is an insightful way to prevent female plants .
I imagine that you would use small stakes in the ground alongside the female plants if you wish to restrict female asparagus seed production .
How far apart are your asparagus plants , without crowding them, and yet allowing them to spread ?

115 posted on 05/03/2016 10:57:32 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
16-18" in the rows; nearly 4' between rows.

A short piece of 1/2" PVC pipe for a stake; easier to see, and longer lasting than small wooden stakes.

I also use 4' 'step in' plastic fence posts on both sides of the rows, so I can use nylon building line to give support to the stems against our winds.


116 posted on 05/03/2016 6:51:50 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!�)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; ApplegateRanch; painter
How far apart are your asparagus plants , without crowding them, and yet allowing them to spread ?

Two feet between crowns in the row has worked well for me over the years. It looks a terrible waste of space when you're building the bed, but I've never had to dig a bed out to relieve over-crowding.

117 posted on 05/04/2016 5:46:15 AM PDT by Augie
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To: ptsal; greeneyes; Ellendra; All
ptsal : "anyone doing lactofermentation? I want recipes and hints...."

I just saw your post to the thread - sorry for the delay .
While I have not done lactofermentation myself, I do enjoy good sauerkraut, pickles, and yogurt.
Here goes :
Fermenting Food - Lacto-fermentation Fruit and Vegetable Recipes
http://foodpreservation.about.com/od/LactoFermentation/tp/Fermenting-Food-Lacto-fermentation-Fruit-And-Vegetable-Recipes.htm

The kitchn (includes meals , snacks , sweets , and budget minded )
www.thekitchn.com/recipe-lactofermented-mixed-pickles-recipes-from-the-kitchn-194011

The Antidote Life! -56 Awesome Fermented Food & Drink Recipes (beverages, condiments, yogurts, fermintation tricks and techniques)
http://theantidotelife.com/56-fermented-recipes/
I hope this helps, especially the last one which offers tips , tricks , and techniques.

118 posted on 05/04/2016 1:24:06 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Augie; ApplegateRanch
Augie :" It looks a terrible waste of space when you're building the bed, but I've never had to dig a bed out to relieve over-crowding."

Personally , I like a garden made in wide rows, 2- 3 feet wide , depending on space available.
Asparagus is considered a perennial in most areas .
I wonder if staggered wide rows would work satisfactorily such as (X = plant; - = a 2-3 foot space ):

X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X
--X---X---X---X---X---X---X--
X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X

or might it be too crowded ?
Any experience in wide rows for perennials ?

119 posted on 05/04/2016 1:37:49 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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