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Cuvier and Schaeffer’s Catastrophism:
Thunderbolts website ^ | January 20, 2016 | Peter Mungo Jupp

Posted on 01/25/2016 4:24:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks

The Opening of the Key to the Electric Universe

Criticized, ostracized, derided, scorned and rebuked; Cuvier and Schaeffer.

These two French eccentric geniuses ranged their new practical paradigms against the sanitized teachings of the Royal Societys consensus science. Georges Cuvier and then later Claude Schaeffer, dared question the hidebound uniformitarian teachings demanded by the Royal Societys geology darlings, Hutton and Lyle. They insisted that the worlds development was a slow evolutionary process explained by millions of years of uniform steady change. This misneme eventually influenced Darwin to explain evolution as a child of slow natural selection that, by chance, produced superior offspring and new species entirely through the agency of survival of the fittest. A gross simplification that has survived as a cherished dogma entrenched into every facet of modern science.

But what sets our two practical French geniuses apart?

Georges Cuvier was a child of the French and American Revolutions around the 1800s. Probably nourished by this chaotic period of tumbling dogmas, he was able to study the incredibly rich layered fossil beds around Paris and beyond unhampered by convention. These distinctive layers revealed many beds of fossils plastered on each other by a succession of marine and then land based phyla of extinct and living flora and fauna. Those blunt separations signalled mass destruction upon destruction and sudden new speciation. He mainly accused catastrophic floods as the tool of these extinctions but then on his various trips to the United States he was intrigued by the mythology of the Native Americans. They spoke of cosmic lightning destroying the megafauna and earlier man.

From the Lakota nation cited by Erdoes and Oritz:

...The creator sang the song of destruction and sent down fierce Thunderbirds to wage a great battle against the other humans and giant animals. Finally at the height of the battle, the Thunderbirds suddenly threw down their most powerful Thunderbolts all at once. The fiery blast shook the entire world, toppling mountain ranges and setting forests and prairies ablaze. The flames leapt up to the sky in all directions, the world’s lakes boiled and the giant animals and evil people burned up where they stood. The Earth split open, sending great torrents across the entire world. The survivors found the bleached bones of the giant animals buried in mud and rock all over the world...

Adrienne Mayer, writing on the early white pioneer fossil hunters, claims they described America as a continent covered by ancient extinct giant fossil bones. Cuviers fundamental paradigms described a series of mass extinctions separated by marine and terra firma deposits. Species change followed each upheaval. His bone dissections plotted this in intimate detail. He was an obsessive examiner of every detail of fit and function. Extraordinarily meticulous observation, preservation and comparative deduction chartered his findings. Not only did this clash with the later Hutton and Lyle’s theories but even clashed with Bishop Usher’s fundamentalist theories on a seven thousand year old Earth only once cleansed by a Biblical flood.

The admirable Claude Schaeffer, who possessed many of Cuviers practical qualities, through his early excavations in Syrias Ras Shamira and Enkomi in Cyprus, revealed sequences of civilizations separated by six destruction boundaries. Although artefacts such as pottery and jewellery were useful in discerning different periods of cultural development, he was more intrigued by what caused the instantaneous demise of these physically separated civilizations. Typically this had been attributed to destructive hordes of armies and raiders intent on pillage, destruction, rape and plunder. Theoretically they burnt and destroyed their enemys cities.

Schaeffer saw what others had not. Nature had played a major part in this drama. Walls and cities had been bent and twisted by earthquakes. Wild fires had left ashes sometimes many meters thick, unable to be explained by the burning of house timbers. Tsunami deposits were readily seen in Enkomi, Cyprus. Fierce wind deposits and destructive floods could be disseminated in the ruins. Climate change and reversion to nomadic wandering could even be inferred from the obvious footprints of abandonment and rebuilding. He cites indications of climatic catastrophes by pollen analyses, drop of ocean levels and land sinking. He examined over 90 sites in the Middle East and beyond and concluded that in the Bronze Age period alone there had been six destructive layers of varying intensity. Importantly he insisted that no catastrophes of this magnitude had been observed in recent times. This was clearly illustrated in his epic work, Stratigraphie Comparée et Chronologie de lAsie Occidentale.

Curiously, the equally lambasted Immanuel Velikovsky had come to similar conclusions from separate evidence. Velikovsky relied on ancient testimony and insights from many ancient sources. But he also understood that celestial mechanics was fundamentally influenced by electromagnetic drivers. This had been ignored by most cosmologists.

Schaeffer relied on the practical observations of an archaeologist with dirt on his hands. However, he too acknowledged, as had Velikovsky, the importance of ancient texts in researching fundamental cause. Both became friends due to their frustration with the dogmas of the day. Schaeffer commented to Velikovsky:

...You are working in the right direction and time will help to show the reality of global catastrophes. Already continental catastrophes cannot be doubted as I showed by my stratigraphical work in the Near East...

Both Velikovsky and Schaeffer appreciated the value of Cuviers foundational work:

...You refer very well to Cuviers views which are too often forgotten nowadays. I feel exactly the same way, I know that those vast crises and cataclysms have occurred...

The great minds of Cuvier and Schaeffer fully concurred on the reality of the crises but equally both searched vainly for a primal cause. Velikovsky was certainly not the first to propose a celestial cause but he was probably the first to nail electromagnetism as the essence of planetary dynamics and propose chaos in the cosmos as driven by this erratic fundamental. Thus amongst many others these three came together to offer a new driving paradigm to mankinds fate.

However Schaeffer’s final words to Velikovsky reveals acceptance of this was not going to be an easy task.

...Many of my colleagues are not easily accessible to new ideas and use their arguments in order to discredit the whole idea of the reality of crises on continental scale. It disturbed their conservative and comfortable outlook on the historical events during the catastrophic events of earlier millenia. It will take more time until the new idea take root, but it will ultimately take root for the truth always in the end prevails...

Peter Mungo Jupp

Films: www.mungoflix.com Articles: www.ancientdestructions.com


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: catastrophe; catastrophism; claudeschaeffer; cuvier; electricuniverse; georgescuvier; immanuelvelikovsky; petermungojupp; schaeffer; thunderbolts; velikovsky; worldsincollision
...the Thunderbirds suddenly threw down their most powerful Thunderbolts all at once. The fiery blast shook the entire world, toppling mountain ranges and setting forests and prairies ablaze. The flames leapt up to the sky in all directions, the worlds lakes boiled and the giant animals and evil people burned up where they stood. The Earth split open, sending great torrents across the entire world. The survivors found the bleached bones of the giant animals buried in mud and rock all over the world...

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1 posted on 01/25/2016 4:24:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Swordmaker

Ping for your list.


2 posted on 01/25/2016 4:27:32 PM PST by shibumi (Vampire Outlaw of the Milky Way)
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To: sauropod

Read


3 posted on 01/25/2016 4:43:50 PM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thunderbolts


4 posted on 01/25/2016 6:25:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks; 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks Fred Nerks!



5 posted on 01/26/2016 4:21:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; blam; All

Sounds very much like what you would expect from the cataclysm hypothesized by Firestone et al. Multiple bolides striking the earth in the Great Lakes/Canada area, instant glacial/ice cap melting and floods, the giant animals like mammoths, etc. killed. It is amazing that this could have been remembered for 12,000 years, so it must have been incredibly awesome.


6 posted on 01/27/2016 12:59:23 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
... It is amazing that this could have been remembered for 12,000 years, so it must have been incredibly awesome.

from the article:

... He examined over 90 sites in the Middle East and beyond and concluded that in the Bronze Age period alone there had been six destructive layers of varying intensity...

British pre History

Around 4,000 years ago the Bronze Age came to Britain. This was the crucial period that linked the Stone Age with the Iron Age

7 posted on 01/27/2016 3:07:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I agreed with this until I came to this: “But he also understood that celestial mechanics was fundamentally influenced by electromagnetic drivers.”

Followed by

“Velikovsky was certainly not the first to propose a celestial cause but he was probably the first to nail electromagnetism as the essence of planetary dynamics and propose chaos in the cosmos as driven by this erratic fundamental.”

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I have not heard much about electromagnetism would be the driver of comet and meteor activity rather than gravity. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to think that disturbances in the Ort cloud caused by the galactic din — would rain down comets and meteors into the inner solar system from time to time.


8 posted on 01/27/2016 3:59:28 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY

THUNDERBOLTS WEBSITE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY


9 posted on 01/27/2016 5:54:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I am intrigued by this investigation and years ago read the books by Sitchin on Niburu and the Annunaki. But the scientific proof from archaeology is uncertain because we do not fully understand various local contexts in which artifacts are found , such as modern technology from earth strata millions of years old ( batteries and such). Such findings are simply ignored simply because there is no context in which they can be understood, except for theories such as cosmically based intervention.

We may have some very strange relatives indeed.But chances are that we will never know with certainty and so religions will continue to be born around the issue. But I do love to read about it.Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 01/30/2016 3:49:47 AM PST by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

try the video.


11 posted on 01/30/2016 2:20:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I’ll have to schedule time for later, that’s a long one!


12 posted on 01/30/2016 4:51:38 PM PST by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Fred Nerks

reads like the younger dryas comet shower that killed off all the megafauna in north america.


13 posted on 01/13/2023 9:04:37 AM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

You might find this video of interest:

Worlds in Collision Chapter 2 Prologue Immanuel Velikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W61TJW__ko


14 posted on 01/13/2023 2:50:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Worlds in Collision - original view:

https://torahdownloads.org/shiur-19381.html


15 posted on 01/13/2023 3:26:34 PM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: jjotto
Thanks, saved your link, WIC is a book...


16 posted on 01/13/2023 6:18:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: jjotto

followed your link

The requested page was not found.


17 posted on 01/14/2023 3:51:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Works fine for me.

Same lecture is at

https://www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/ken-spiro-worldsincollision/


18 posted on 01/14/2023 4:06:16 PM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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