Posted on 06/11/2015 7:24:55 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom
Thank you for bringing up Reggie White.
Mr. White's Wikipedia entry says: In an interview with ABC's 20/20, White made comments about gays and lesbians. White became an ally of organizations opposed to homosexuality; he appeared in a newspaper advertising campaign to convince gays and lesbians that they could “cease” their homosexuality. As a result, CBS withdrew a five-year, $6-million contract for being a part of the The NFL Today because of his statements calling homosexuality a sin.[28][29] Both the Green Bay Packers and the NFL objected to the ads, since White had appeared in his football uniform without the consent of the team or the league. Later versions of the ad removed the uniform.
This reinforces what I wrote earlier:
Now, the core problem. Every NFL coach and owner knows that Tim Tebow is just one Christian testimony away from destroying their franchise. All Tebow has to do is to state that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman and all the demons in hell and the lamestream media will descend on the team. The owner may very well be forced to sell by the NFL. And that is the real reason no one wants to take a risk with Tebow.
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I mean no disrespect, but you are like the pro-global warming people. Tebow is being blackballed for his faith because, because how could be any other way.
Anyway, your arguments are weak and only prove that you like wearing your cross on your sleeve. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Well, let's talk about what we were talking: Now, the core problem. Every NFL coach and owner knows that Tim Tebow is just one Christian testimony away from destroying their franchise. All Tebow has to do is to state that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman and all the demons in hell and the lamestream media will descend on the team. The owner may very well be forced to sell by the NFL. And that is the real reason no one wants to take a risk with Tebow.
And to that you pointed out Tebow was with Denver and the Jets and nothing bad happened. But in 2011 and 2012 the social landscape concerning marriage was much different than today. At that time President Obama supported (ostensibly) marriage as being between one man and one woman - and that was considered, more or less, a normal view.
Now in 2015 people are facing bankruptcy and prison for refusing to sell flowers and pizza. Anyone opposed to gay marriage is considered Bull Conner. It's open season on anyone defending traditional marriage.
The Reggie White controversy (mentioned elsewhere) was part of a trend line. I would wager a medium priced Mountain House reserve food packet that not one crisis communications public relations firm employed by NFL teams would advise bringing Tim Tebow onto the team. They would burn their silk stocking first.
But you do not believe that and I support your right not to believe it.
You misunderstood and imagined more.
I did not know that - quite an accomplishment! And yet those 11 incompletions in 21 attempts remain ... 6 of them short passes (as the NFL play-by-play log defines "short"). And his woeful 34.6% completion rate the very next week against a lesser defense. To say in the past Tebow couldn't throw the ball is not to say he never connected or possessed none of the needed attributes, but that his consistency was far short of what's needed to succeed as a passer in today's NFL. He's been working very hard to improve; I hope it pays off for him.
And to that you pointed out Tebow was with Denver and the Jets and nothing bad happened. But in 2011 and 2012 the social landscape concerning marriage was much different than today.
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Tebow was signed by New England in June of 2013, which interestingly was 2 months after the Washington state florist chose not to serve the gay couple.
Tebow signed with philly in april 2015, so 2 teams have taken a chance on him since then.
I’ve never heard the expression ‘the exceptions (plural) prove the rule’, have you?
You might also consider that Tebow at Denver was working with poor receivers. Good receivers in the NFL have catchable pass drop rates of 0 to 3 percent, e.g. Dez Bryant (1.6%) and Larry Fitgerald (3.6%).
Tebow at Denver had (mainly) Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas. In 2011 their drop rates for catchable passes were 17% and 13.5% - near the bottom of the NFL receiver corps. If Tebow had had even above average receivers his completion rate would have been something north of 50 percent by my reasoning.
Also consider: Tebow got his team 6.38 yards per passing attempt in 2011. Blaine Gabbert had 5.36; Colt McCoy 5.9; Sam Bradford 6.06; Mark Sanchez 6.40.
You probably know this: In terms of TDs/INT in 2011 Tebow was 12-6; Bradford was 6-6; and McCoy was 14-11. In terms of win/loss Tebow was 7-4; Bradford 1-9; McCoy 4-9. In terms of game start experience thru 2011 Tebow had 14; Bradford 26; McCoy 21.
Net: Tebow did better with less game start experience in 2011 than some other brand-name quarterbacks that were drafted in the same year Tebow was (2010).
How'd they do next season with Peyton Manning?
Also consider: Tebow got his team 6.38 yards per passing attempt in 2011. Blaine Gabbert had 5.36; Colt McCoy 5.9
Is anyone here accusing Gabbert or McCoy of being NFL-caliber QBs? I'd agree they're probably still in the league - albeit as backups - because they 'look like' QBs more than Tebow is seen to.
I don't know. If you know, tell me. I do know they won a playoff game.
“Is anyone here accusing Gabbert or McCoy of being NFL-caliber QBs.”
Let me speak for myself - I view Gabbert and McCoy as NFL caliber QBs.
“I do know they won a playoff game.”
My statement is incorrect. I should have said they did not win a playoff game.
Since then, the franchise has built a team and a special plan to utilize Mannings skills and they have won some playoff games.
I don't know. If you know, tell me.
The only catchable drop percentages I could find are proprietary. :(
Is anyone here accusing Gabbert or McCoy of being NFL-caliber QBs.
Let me speak for myself - I view Gabbert and McCoy as NFL caliber QBs.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
I challenge the claim that a team needs a "special plan" to utilize a career 65.5% completion rated passer.
I included that phrase as tainted bait. I just wanted to see if anyone would tell me that I sounded as shallow and unknowledgeable about football as when the haters throw those terms around about Tebow.
And I love Manning. He is one of the best regular season quarterbacks ever.
I'd wager 100 links for a Browning 1919 that if you search Bill Belichick maverick and Chip Kelly maverick you will get some hits. Both are known as unconventional coaches - the kind willing to take chances in a league full of coaches, managers, and owners whose antitrust exemption has made them risk averse. Monopolies - even quasi-monopolies - don't need to take risks.
They may be the only two coaches willing to push back against the NFLs liberal orthodoxy. But they are the exceptions that - stop me if you have heard this one - prove the rule.
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