Posted on 06/11/2015 7:24:55 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom
This is the thread where people who believe in empirical evidence say regardless of the why’s Tim clearly hasn’t been an NFL caliber QB. It’s nice that he’s showing improvement in practice, in a couple of months we’ll see what happens at game speed facing a defense that’s allowed to touch him.
Guess you should be coaching since you obviously know more than Chip Kelly. What’s his salary? Like he says, “Statistics are for losers!”
Chip signed him for minimum salary with no guarantees and put him last on the depth chart. And while he likes what he sees in practice there’s still 3 months and 4 rounds of roster reduction between now and actually seeing Tim on the team for an actual game that counts.
There are FANS.
And there are FANATICS.
FANS are not a distraction.
FANATICS obsessing over a single individual, and their fanaticism being a source of distraction and generating negative publicity is a problem. That's what was happening to the Bronco's and the NY Jets.
Then there's the fact that Tebow WAS NOT performing at the level expected of an NFL QB which just made his FANATIC supporters foam at the mouth whenever that was pointed out .....
Guess you should read the whole post before you get belligerent. When I asked "So you have evidence that, pre-House, Tebow could throw a football?" I was clearly implying that it's a new situation post-House (Tom House, QB timing/mechanics guru with whom Tebow worked intensively in the offseason).
I'm rooting for Tebow to succeed with the Eagles - he's the kind of guy I like to see good things happen for - and I think there's grounds for optimism.
Almost makes a fan look forward to the NFL pre-season. I hope Tebow can play well enough to see action beyond pre-season.
Amen!
Yeah didn't the NFL overlook Kurt Warner in the draft and the poor guy had to fight it out in Arena Football before anyone would take him seriously?
Which is the point totally. Why did Warner have to do that? Why didn't a team pick him up and develop him? Why should these guys get shafted by the NFL when lesser quarterbacks are given chance after chance. Lucky for Warner that the hard work paid off in droves.
In the playoff game - Tebow had 316 yards in the air. He owns the NFL record for yards per completion in a playoff game - and you say “no evidence there that he could throw a football.”
One of the things I like about you is your ability to make broadly incorrect statements with an air of absolute certitude.
Warner had to do that because he didn’t have the skills yet. Warner has admitted he didn’t have the skills and he needed more time under center and more in game reps. Teams don’t really pick up guys to develop them anymore. In the time of high revenue, high fan expectation, and high player turn over due to free agency nobody has the time of the will to sink years into a guy only to have him jump ship when he finally gets the skills.
FANS is an abbreviation for FANATICS - they are the same thing. Except that one team's fans are the opposing team's fanatics.
Now, the core problem. Every NFL coach and owner knows that Tim Tebow is just one Christian testimony away from destroying their franchise. All Tebow has to do is to state that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman and all the demons in hell and the lamestream media will descend on the team. The owner may very well be forced to sell by the NFL. And that is the real reason no one wants to take a risk with Tebow.
How many times have we seen QB's that didn't get drafted in the first round and instead were drafted in the 3rd, 4th or later that have turned out to be stellar QB's?
Joe Montana - unarguably one of the best QB's to ever play the game wasn't drafted until the third round at #82.
Conversely, how many first round QB's have we seen go bust in the NFL?
Jay Cutler was drafted in the first round by the Denver Bronco's and is now with the Chicago Bears. I'd say Cutler's been a complete BUST on both teams. (He lives a mile down the road from me, I hate that guy.)
Point is, what happened to Kurt Warner isn't unusual. Good QB's get overlooked all the time, and conversely, really CRAPPY QB's (Jay Cutler) who are all hype manage to go first round and go for the money.
In the playoff game - Tebow had 316 yards in the air. He owns the NFL record for yards per completion in a playoff game
No, comparing the number at http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/records/playoffs/player/passing to the game stats - 10/21 for 316 yards - proves that it's yards per ATTEMPT. And since all the leaders are there by virtue of a single long completion (Tebow: 80, Manning: 87, Bradshaw: 73) it's a stat that proves very little about every-down ability - other leaders on the list are luminaries like Jeff Hostetler, Tobin Rote, Steve Fuller, Charlie Conerly, ...
your ability to make broadly incorrect statements with an air of absolute certitude.
The irony is priceless.
I'd completely overlooked that. I think you make an excellent point.
What a sad, pathetic shell our country has become of it's former great self.
heh heh
Alex Smith went 20 picks sooner than Aaron Rogers.
He threw well enough to win a playoff game against a top ranked defense.
And then Tebow got absolutely destroyed the following week, which everyone fails to mention.
The Broncos were winning in spite of Tebow, not because of him. I watched some of those games. Balls landing well before receivers or sailing far above their heads. His completion % in the NFL has been horrendous.
Another great example!
BTW: As a Green Bay Packers fan living in the Chicago area, I can say with all confidence that the Packers are guaranteed at least 6 more victories against the Chicago Bears over the next three years, thanks to the Bears signing Jay Cutler to a long term contract.
ROFL! Stupid Bears Front Office & McCaskey Family.
No. We recognize that we don’t know -or care - about football. But we sure recognize religious bigotry and cowardice when we see it, and understand why those big bad brave bigots attack Christians instead of muslims.
I’d say with Bradford and Butt Fumble, Tebow has a very good chance of starting.
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