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Tim Tebow goes back to the basics with his mechanics
Fox Sports ^ | Jun 09, 2015

Posted on 06/11/2015 7:24:55 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom

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To: DoodleDawg; jeffersondem

Because it costs them next to nothing.

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My question to jeffersondem (ping) was rhetorical.

jeffersondem got through telling us why no one would take a chance on tebow when in fact he’s on his 4th NFL team.


61 posted on 06/11/2015 1:38:01 PM PDT by dmz
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To: usconservative
If Tebow doesn't fit the offensive scheme's of most modern NFL teams, exactly how could he have improved alot of teams as a starting QB? Those two statements just contradict each other.

Those teams would have had to change their systems the way Denver did. Tebow managed to have a winning record and a playoff win against a 12-4 team.

62 posted on 06/11/2015 1:46:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Tebow managed to have a winning record and a playoff win against a 12-4 team.

yeah, that all got dissected up above.

Personally I'm of the opinion Denver won that playoff game in spite of Tebow, not because of him.

Save your breath, nothing's going to change my mind.

63 posted on 06/11/2015 1:50:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DoodleDawg

Ugh, the Jets have made horrible decisions and trades for years. Tough to root for them, though I still do.


64 posted on 06/11/2015 1:53:59 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: usconservative

Save your breath, nothing’s going to change my mind.

...

And I’m not convinced you aren’t a Tebow hater as you claim, so you can also save your breath.


65 posted on 06/11/2015 2:06:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
And I’m not convinced you aren’t a Tebow hater as you claim

Here's the beauty of the internet, ready?

I don't care. So what.

66 posted on 06/11/2015 2:57:39 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DoodleDawg

“Instead it took the Jets another what? Two years to fire Ryan?”

Thank you for making my point.


67 posted on 06/11/2015 3:21:28 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: usconservative

The other beauty of the Internet is you can tell other people what to do, but not follow your own advice.


68 posted on 06/11/2015 3:35:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dmz
“My question to jeffersondem (ping) was rhetorical.”

And I said the exception proves the rule. The phrase is derived from a legal principle of republican Rome: exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis (”the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted”), a concept first proposed by Cicero in his defence of Lucius Cornelius Balbus.

Sorry, I didn't understand your question was rhetorical. I took you seriously.

69 posted on 06/11/2015 4:28:36 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: ConservingFreedom
“But in looking for factors that changed between his 7-1 start and his 1-4 finish, one thing leaps out: the unfamiliarity of Tebow’s style of QBing, which of course declined with time and accumulating game tape. I'm certainly open to hearing alternative explanations for Denver's downward trend over those 13 games.”

If opponents were studying tape of Tebow as the season progressed, they were also studying tape of Denver's offensive coordinator. And what they saw was coaching and play calling that was atrocious. For 3.5 quarters of each game, the OC called running plays almost exclusively on 1st and 2nd downs leaving the team in long-yardage situations a majority of the time they faced third down. It is much easier to defend the pass and the run when you know when the OC will call each. It wasn't until late in the 4th quarter that the OC would give up and just let Tebow be Tebow. And that's not just my opinion - others with more football knowledge have said the same thing.

70 posted on 06/11/2015 7:37:14 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
But in looking for factors that changed between his 7-1 start and his 1-4 finish, one thing leaps out: the unfamiliarity of Tebow’s style of QBing, which of course declined with time and accumulating game tape. I'm certainly open to hearing alternative explanations for Denver's downward trend over those 13 games.

If opponents were studying tape of Tebow as the season progressed, they were also studying tape of Denver's offensive coordinator. And what they saw was coaching and play calling that was atrocious. For 3.5 quarters of each game, the OC called running plays almost exclusively on 1st and 2nd downs

Did this tendency increase between Tebow's 7-1 start and his 1-4 finish? If not, it doesn't explain the downward trend.

71 posted on 06/11/2015 7:42:23 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
“No, comparing the number at http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/records/playoffs/player/passing to the game stats - 10/21 for 316 yards - proves that it's yards per ATTEMPT. And since all the leaders are there by virtue of a single long completion (Tebow: 80, Manning: 87, Bradshaw: 73) it's a stat that proves very little about every-down ability - other leaders on the list are luminaries like Jeff Hostetler, Tobin Rote, Steve Fuller, Charlie Conerly, ..." There may be information about the playoff game of which you are unaware: The Steelers defense had only given up 6 completions of 30-plus yards all season; Tebow threw 5 in this game. Tebow became the first player to have 4 completions of more than 30 yards in one quarter of a playoff game in the modern era (1960) and the first to do so in any game since Warren Moon did it in 1990. Tebow's 97.3 Total QBR (out of 100)is the second highest in history. Aaron Rodgers has the highest at 98.1. Of course, others have good numbers as well. Tom Brady has a 95.1 (vs Denver in 2012) and Peyton Manning was only 6 points lower than Tebow in the win over San Diego in 2014.
72 posted on 06/11/2015 8:06:11 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: ConservingFreedom

“Did this tendency increase between Tebow’s 7-1 start and his 1-4 finish? If not, it doesn’t explain the downward trend.”

As I remember, the play calling was first a discernable pattern, then a gas-tight certainty that any opponent could depend upon.


73 posted on 06/11/2015 8:17:56 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: usconservative
“Personally I'm of the opinion Denver won that playoff game in spite of Tebow, not because of him.”

There may be information about the playoff game of which you are unaware: The Steelers defense had only given up 6 completions of 30-plus yards all season; Tebow threw 5 in this game. Tebow became the first player to have 4 completions of more than 30 yards in one quarter of a playoff game in the modern era (1960) and the first to do so in any game since Warren Moon did it in 1990. Tebow’s 97.3 Total QBR (out of 100)is the second highest in history. Aaron Rodgers has the highest at 98.1. Of course, others have good numbers as well. Tom Brady has a 95.1 (vs Denver in 2012) and Peyton Manning was only 6 points lower than Tebow in the win over San Diego in 2014.

74 posted on 06/11/2015 8:34:58 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

“Still, I have to respect the coach’s decision to keep Tebow away from the ball and preserve the team’s 6-10 season. Great call.”

True. Could have been 4-12 or 2-14 otherwise. (DoodleDawg)

The Jets actually were 4-12 in 2014. Without Tebow. And with Rex Ryan.


75 posted on 06/11/2015 10:37:14 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

As Tebow is now with his 4th NFL team, it seems a bit odd to suggest that no one will take a chance on him, don’t you think?

4 teams out of 32 taking a chance with him makes the statement that the Eagles are the exception that proves your stated rule, despite your fine but unneeded Latin explication, obviously incorrect.


76 posted on 06/12/2015 4:43:01 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
“. . . despite your fine but unneeded Latin explication . . .”

Note to self: dmz does not like Latin explications.

77 posted on 06/12/2015 6:18:35 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Note to self: dmz does not like Latin explications.

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When it is something as plebian as ‘the exception proves the rule’, yea, you can withhold the Latin explications.

If it was something like “adventavit asinus, pulcher et fortissimus”, then absolutely, explicate away.

But that’s a nice deflection right there from what we were actually talking about.


78 posted on 06/12/2015 6:45:59 AM PDT by dmz
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To: jeffersondem

Reggie White was an outspoken Christian, an ordained minister, iIRC, who had a stellar, HoF career.

BTW, HoF = Hall of Fame.


79 posted on 06/12/2015 6:54:51 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to activate this tag line.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

No, this is Affirmative Action for Christians thread.


80 posted on 06/12/2015 6:55:51 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to activate this tag line.)
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