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Former Ivy League admissions dean reveals why highly qualified Asian students often get rejected
Business Insider ^ | 06/10/2015 | Peter Jacobs

Posted on 06/10/2015 7:45:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Asian American students may be at a distinct disadvantage when applying to highly competitive colleges, according to Sara Harberson, a former Ivy League admissions dean.

In a recent op-ed in the Los Angeles Times, Harberson — the former associate dean of admissions at the University of Pennsylvania and the former dean of admissions and financial aid at Franklin & Marshall College — writes that there is always a reason for a college applicant's rejection. In many cases, students are denied admission because they don't have a "tag" associated with their application — what Harberson calls "the proverbial golden ticket for a student applying to an elite institution."

Students with tags may be "recruited athletes, children of alumni, children of donors or potential donors, or students who are connected to the well connected," according to the former admissions dean. However, Harberson writes, "Asian American students typically don't have these tags." As she notes:

Asian Americans are rarely children of alumni at the Ivies, for example. There aren't as many recruited athletes coming from the Asian American applicant pool. Nor are they typically earmarked as "actual" or "potential" donors. They simply don't have long-standing connections to these institutions.

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: admissions; affirmativeaction; afroturf; asians; astroturf; blackkk; blackliesmatter; blacklivesmatter; california; demagogicparty; franklinandmarshall; ivyleague; prop209; proposition209; quotas; racenorming; redistribution; reparations; saraharberson; uofpennsylvania; whiteprivilege
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To: SeekAndFind
The most important "tag" of all was omitted.

The Affirmative Action tag.

41 posted on 06/10/2015 8:49:35 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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To: Cicero

“Affirmative Action” and “Diversity” are basically ways to legally keep rejecting some of the most highly gifted and productive students: Jews in the East, Asians in the West.


42 posted on 06/10/2015 8:53:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God - Blessed be His Holy Name - Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In view of this why in hell do Asian parents vote Democratic?

I have no idea.

I have never been able to understand that.

They start their own little business, which becomes a big business, and then they vote for big taxes.

That does not compute.


43 posted on 06/10/2015 8:55:15 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s 8.


44 posted on 06/10/2015 8:58:04 AM PDT by Andy'smom (How many more acts of love can we take?)
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To: Steven Scharf
You will get bitch slapped if you refer to a non ivy league college to a ivy leaguer. They take their distinction very seriously.

Bitch slapped by an Ivy League sissy? I think not!

45 posted on 06/10/2015 8:59:19 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SeekAndFind

BS, she is simply covering for their discrimination.


46 posted on 06/10/2015 9:04:17 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: SeekAndFind
While I don't believe we need any more "special" population designations in this nation, I do think the phenomenal success of Asian students bears a closer look. Why, for instance, has this particular racial group proven to be so academically superior? They are, for the most part, only second generation Americans. Here are some things I have observed:

1. Some begin to learn English only after starting school, yet they speak like native American citizens after only 6 months. None in the district I taught received the "extra" years of costly, ineffectual language-learning that the illegals are getting.

2. They are the products of 2 parent families who are successful, entrepreneurial in business, and (most importantly)present in the lives of their children. The parents model the success they expect to see in these children. In fact,the entire family participates in raising them. Yes, this requires a strict, consistent approach to child-rearing, but the payoff is BIG.

3. They are taught to prioritize their lives. Work first, then play. This doesn't leave as much time for the extra curriculum activities that "tag" these students for acceptance to the Ivy Leagues. (The school's loss, in my opinion.)

4. These children are taught the importance of respect towards those in authority and a respect for their country. As a teacher, I can only recall a couple of times I was forced to make a call home where discipline was concerned.

I could go on and on. The basic idea I am attempting to convey is that excellence must be modeled and it results only when it is an expected outcome.

47 posted on 06/10/2015 9:13:08 AM PDT by scottiemom (As Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school)
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To: Steven Scharf

there are only 8.

Brown, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn, Princeton, and Harvard.


48 posted on 06/10/2015 9:14:53 AM PDT by TangibleDisgust (The Parmesan doesn't go like that.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If they were admitted, that may result in a meritocracy, where the best and brightest were advanced in society. Can’t have that.


49 posted on 06/10/2015 9:17:04 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: sten

grades in college now are a joke. with grade inflation, there’s no such thing as a gentleman’s C anymore. pretty much everyone gets A’s and B’s. it’s a problem that some professors are finally taking seriously. that’s why GPA doesn’t matter anymore... it’s meaningless.

http://www.dailycal.org/2015/05/15/grade-deflation/


50 posted on 06/10/2015 9:18:44 AM PDT by TangibleDisgust (The Parmesan doesn't go like that.)
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To: DownInFlames
Is that a bad thing? Would it be better if they were black? White?

Tradition, culture, work, environment, perseverance, education and natural ability are all part and parcel to academic success, or in everyday life for that matter.

It is what it is. Disproportionately as a word is so often misused to mean something bad. It is mostly always used in connection with how "this is racism against blacks" or other groups (in the case of whites, white privilege because they did nothing to earn what they have.)

51 posted on 06/10/2015 9:20:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

The “problem” with Asians is that they don’t fit the left’s template of a persecuted minority that can’t make it without the help of the benevolent liberals.

They put the lie to one of the left’s core beliefs that “minorities” are inherently handicapped by the majority population.


52 posted on 06/10/2015 9:21:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Yep. They aren’t down with the “struggle”. They don’t seem to want to use their race as a crutch, do they?


53 posted on 06/10/2015 9:27:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

“I subscribe to the view that Ronald Reagan had when he was governor of California, when this same circumstance presented itself at the University of California, namely – quote – ‘too many Asians.’ Ronald Reagan said, ‘I don’t care if every seat is held by an Asian if they’ve earned the right to be there.’”

Asian majority a college crisis?
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2522886/posts


54 posted on 06/10/2015 10:02:06 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Jeopardy question:Ivy league has 8 nicknames- 7 are either colors or animals and 1 religion-name the religion....


55 posted on 06/10/2015 10:12:56 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: SeekAndFind
And Cornell is suspect, because a large part of it (e.g., Ag, Ecology, and the ILR School) is really state-supported - the so-called “contract colleges.”
56 posted on 06/10/2015 10:16:26 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: DownInFlames
Was at Yale last month for a graduation. Tons of Asians represented.

Must be a lot - they are usually pretty skinny.

57 posted on 06/10/2015 10:43:08 AM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Don’t talk about your family coming from Vietnam with $2 in a rickety boat and swimming away from sharks,” Asian Advantage College Consulting founder James Chen recently told The Boston Globe.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As if the above weren’t a diverse enough experience. ( Sigh!)


58 posted on 06/10/2015 10:50:35 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Steven Scharf
Franklin & Marshall is not Ivy League although it is one of the oldest colleges in the country (founded 1787).

The second-oldest college in the US is not an Ivy League institution--the College of William and Mary, founded in 1693. No school south of the Mason-Dixon Line is an Ivy League school.

Back in the 1980s someone published a book about "public ivies" which had education that was just as good (at least in the author's opinion) but much cheaper if you were a resident of the state where the school was located. The College of William and Mary, the University of Virginia, the various University of California campuses, and the University of Washington were among those that made the cut.

59 posted on 06/10/2015 11:01:27 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Steven Scharf
Franklin & Marshall is not Ivy League although it is one of the oldest colleges in the country (founded 1787).

The second-oldest college in the US is not an Ivy League institution--the College of William and Mary, founded in 1693. No school south of the Mason-Dixon Line is an Ivy League school.

Back in the 1980s someone published a book about "public ivies" which had education that was just as good (at least in the author's opinion) but much cheaper if you were a resident of the state where the school was located. The College of William and Mary, the University of Virginia, the various University of California campuses, and the University of Washington were among those that made the cut.

60 posted on 06/10/2015 11:01:27 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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