Posted on 03/23/2015 1:17:25 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
So I saw several years of complaints that Obama was born in Kenya. Lets assume he was. His mother is an American citizen; there isn't any dispute there. And, in the minds of those who believe he was born in Kenya, that means he's not eligible to be President.
Lets move to Ted Cruz. He was born in Canada. His father wasn't a US Citizen at the time of his birth. His mother was. So if Obama being born in Kenya supposedly matters, why does Cruz being born in Canada NOT matter?
Oh, ok. But the citizenship law of 1787 didn’t apply. The law had been amended by the time Obambi was was born in 1961. That’s the citizenship law he had to meet in order to be a citizen. And he did not.
Last I knew, Neil Abercrombie “couldn’t find it” and Loretta Fuddy was dead.
Hawaii is one of the most corrupt RAT havens in the union. I guess you’ll have to show it to us.
If you're looking for a confrontation and an argument, I'm gonna pass on this one............sorry to disappoint you.
The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.
"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.
So we have people who are self-interested in keeping the document secret declaring that nobody else needs to see it.
-PJ
Anything except answer the question. Ok.
Don't go there........
A citizen by virtue of statute...like the child of an adult alien (male or female) and a US citizen (male or female) being granted citizenship through laws established by Congress under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4.
Mummy was a US citizen and Daddy was an alien, right?
The children of such unions need a law to make them US citizens, don't they?
1. Cruz’s mother met the requirements for her to pass on US citizen ship to her son at the time of his birth.
2. Obama’s mother did not meet those requirements at the time of his birth so this is a big issue IF Obama was shown to be born outside the country. Of course, Obama maintains that he was born in Hawaii, and if that is true, it would not have mattered at the time. But to this date, the documentation he has provided has been suspect.
3. At this stage, with Obama having his second term nearing an end...it will soon be a moot point in any case. Realistically, even if he was shown to have not met the test at some future date, it will not undo what he has done.
I believe it is clear that Cruz meets the definition and will do just fine in that regard.
It will be hard for the left to make any issue of it in any case...but even if they do, from what I have seen...they will have no foundation for their argument.
Only in so far as EVERYBODY needs a law to make them a citizen since citizenship is defined by laws. But the most common set of laws on this, and what we have here, is that if one of your parents is a citizen when you’re born so are you.
EXACTLY! And Cruz HAS TO use USC 8 as both of his parents were not US citizens...the same as notPOTUS!
They both have to cite USC 8 §1401 as the law making them US citizens...thus they're naturalized citizens.
When do they ever? The Left doesn't care if their arguments are sustainable; they know that Republicans will cower from the fight regardless of its veracity. It's just who they are now.
-PJ
BS! See above. He HAD TO resort to USC 8 as one of his parents was an ALIEN.
Please cite the law which you're referring to.
You must not have spent any time on the 6,000 "Natural-Born Citizen" threads that there are around here.
No, Cruz was a citizen at birth because his mother was a citizen. No court had to grant him citizenship.
Oy vey!
Volume 12 – Citizenship & Naturalization
Part H – Children of U.S. Citizens
Chapter 3 – United States Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309)
In general, a person born outside of the United States may acquire citizenship at birth if:
•The person has at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen; and
•The U.S. citizen parent meets certain residence or physical presence requirements in the United States or an outlying possession prior to the person’s birth in accordance with the pertinent provision. [2]
No court had to grant him citizenship.
A law granted him citizenship.
By your logic, someone born in the US also is granted his citizenship by the same law. Or did you fail to notice:
A. General Requirements for Acquisition of Citizenship at Birth
A person born in the United States who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a U.S. citizen at birth, to include a person born to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.
So since both being born in the US and being born to a citizen outside of the US are covered by the same law, I guess there is no such thing as a "natural born citizen".
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