Posted on 03/23/2015 1:17:25 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
So I saw several years of complaints that Obama was born in Kenya. Lets assume he was. His mother is an American citizen; there isn't any dispute there. And, in the minds of those who believe he was born in Kenya, that means he's not eligible to be President.
Lets move to Ted Cruz. He was born in Canada. His father wasn't a US Citizen at the time of his birth. His mother was. So if Obama being born in Kenya supposedly matters, why does Cruz being born in Canada NOT matter?
(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, §301, 66 Stat. 235; Pub. L. 89–770, Nov. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 1322; Pub. L. 92–584, §§1, 3, Oct. 27, 1972, 86 Stat. 1289; Pub. L. 95–432, §§1, 3, Oct. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 1046; Pub. L. 99–653, §12, Nov. 14, 1986, 100 Stat. 3657; Pub. L. 103–416, title I, §101(a), Oct. 25, 1994, 108 Stat. 4306.)
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 95–432, §1, struck out subsec. (d) which provided that nothing in former subsec. (b) be construed to alter the citizenship of any person who came into the United States prior to Oct. 27, 1972, and who, whether before or after Oct. 27, 1972, immediately following such coming complied with the physical presence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in former subsec. (b), prior to amendment of former subsec. (b) by Pub. L. 92–584.
It’s not tough. The Birthers decided to try to over complicate the situation. But it’s pretty cut and dry.
Actually, the “Birthers” proffer the easiest to understand meaning of Natural Born Citizen.
When a Wigitland Citizen male and Wigitland Citizen female have a Child born within the borders of Wigitland, That Child is a Natural Born Citizen of Wigitland. How could the Child be a Citizen of any other Country at the moment of Birth???
What you describe are rules for dual Citizens. Both of my Parents were Citizens of a European Country. I was born in North America. I can file to obtain Citizenship of that European Country, as I am grandfathered, and they cash my annual fee payment. That does not change the fact I have affinity for this Country, not some Country in Europe
You do not need any man made rules, tiebreakers, minimum age to confer Citizenship, minimum years in Country, Babies born in international airways or waterways, naturalization tests, definitions of terms and words, laws of soil, laws of blood, Colonies, etc.
No, I don't.
Evidently because the law says they do.
A natural born citizen needs no recourse to any law to be granted citizenship.
A lot of energy went in to hiding his past, I will say that. If you have an equal amount of proof that Obama is equally a NBC as Cruz, I would like to see it.
They always reverse course with comments like that.
I’ve seen a copy of his enrollment paper for Columbia University, I think it was, and he lists his birthplace as Kenya and checked he was a foreign student. Being a foreign student must have given him financial help. So, he was either born in Kenya as he said, or he was lying to get a scholarship.
“We don’t give funding to foreign students.”
Universities here DO give smart foreign students scholarships.
ping to 92
You call Cruz a Manchurian candidate? Not true, and not good for longevity here. Democrat websites will be glad to have you.
There is no such distinction. All citizens are statutory citizens, since they are citizens according to the applicable citizenship statutes.
You are either a natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen. That is the only distinction under the Constitution. If you are automatically a citizen at birth under the applicable citizenship statutes then you are a natural born citizen. If not, then you have to become naturalized to be a citizen.
“but as far as for president, only after a federal court ruled that persons born of non-US parents indeed are Natural born citizens.”
You are wrong - Cruz’s mother was a US citizen all her life. She had Cruz in Canada and he was a natural born citizen.
I just heard Cruz on Hannity say he is a natural born citizen since his mother was and is an American citizen. So, go argue with the constitutional lawyer Ted Cruz if you know more than he does. Otherwise, just shut up.
So there it is. Thank you, usurper for your skillful use of Ockham’s razor! We can all move along now.
As we suspected, Ted Cruz is a real deal “natural born citizen” while Barry Soetero remains a fraud, phoney and poser.
There is no logical inconsistency, nothing more to see here and no need to reinvent the wheel. You con law expert/concern trolls can go get bent now.
WOW! Haven't you contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences?
Just what "statutes", specifically, apply to natural born citizen?
The current thinking is that if a person is born a citizen either by jus soli (the law of place) or jus sanguinis (the law of blood) then he is natural born.
I have never heard the term statutory citizen.
Yes the law changed many times. We had to refer to a naturalization chart and would always start the process based of the DOB to apply the prevailing law at the time.
The law changes were never retroactive and for most of our country's history women were treated quite differently when it came to bestowing citizenship.
I think it was in the 1970s when they last changed the law and made women and men's residency requirements the same.
Some of the issue is Cruz’s mom met the US Citizenship and had the time in the US required for him to qualify as a natural born US Citizen before his birth, in Canada when his parents were working there. More internet searching will bring up the Acts under which the qualifications are listed. Starting with 1 of the first acts of the Founding Congress. Naturalization Act of 1790 http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3407400229.html
There are other Naturalization Acts after this one with more info. It all hinged on the fact the mother had the required US Citizenship and the number of years in country to qualify her child as a US Citizen.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ted-cruz-canadian-born-us-president-heres/story?id=29846887
We don’t know about 0’s mom on that issue.
I think for both of them mummy was one when they were born. Pretty straight forward.
The thing that makes it complicated, at least when you’re looking at whether or not a person is a “natural born citizen” of multiple places is that every country can make up their own rules and they don’t have to make a damn bit of sense. Which is why it’s best to ignore them. If you want to know if somebody is an NBC American look at our rules and ignore everything else. Both qualify under those rules, done deal. Might they also qualify under some other countries’ rules? Sure. But who cares.
What is our rule for the 35 year old age requirement? Can we change it to some reasonable number like 12? After all, if one ROCK SOLID defining characteristic can be changed by the will of congress, I don't see why we can't change the other requirements whenever we feel like it.
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