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I'm confused about this Cruz Citizenship thing

Posted on 03/23/2015 1:17:25 PM PDT by bigdaddy45

So I saw several years of complaints that Obama was born in Kenya. Lets assume he was. His mother is an American citizen; there isn't any dispute there. And, in the minds of those who believe he was born in Kenya, that means he's not eligible to be President.

Lets move to Ted Cruz. He was born in Canada. His father wasn't a US Citizen at the time of his birth. His mother was. So if Obama being born in Kenya supposedly matters, why does Cruz being born in Canada NOT matter?


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To: Yaelle
If you are born an American citizen, it matters not where.

His father was born in Cuba and came to the U.S. but was not a U.S. citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

The mother and father both moved to Canada where Cruz was born, am I right?...........

So your argument is that because his mother, an American citizen, gave birth to Cruz in Canada, grants Cruz eligibility to run for president?

161 posted on 03/23/2015 3:24:02 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: Zhang Fei
Even if Obama were born in Kenya, I believe the amendments to the law are retroactive in their effect.

By golly they must be. They go all the way back to 1787 and re-write something we thought was written in stone, you know, like the age requirement.

I can't wait till congress passes a law that says "35" is now equal to "12." Then we can have Presidents equal to Obama's maturity level.

162 posted on 03/23/2015 3:25:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: alancarp

Not so much old or new as Vattel or English Common Law. Both the notion of “native” in the sense of Vattel — born of citizen parents within country — and the notion of “natural born subject” — subject to the British Crown from birth — could have been the concept the Founders were adapting to the framing of the new Republic with the phrase “natural born citizen”, and precedent now plainly favors the view adapted from English Common Law.


163 posted on 03/23/2015 3:26:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Zhang Fei
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

You will lose IQ points by perusing Snopes. It's run by a couple of left wing kooks.

164 posted on 03/23/2015 3:26:49 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: bigdaddy45

#1 reason, all of 0bama’s records are sealed.
Ted Cruz’s past is available for vetting


165 posted on 03/23/2015 3:27:08 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Yaelle

Based on my prior observation, how does Cruz’s circumstance differ from Obama’s where his mother, an American citizen, gave birth to him in either Hawaii or Kenya..........for the sake of argument, lets say Kenya?


166 posted on 03/23/2015 3:27:50 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: Steven Tyler

That’s an important point.


167 posted on 03/23/2015 3:28:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Vanbasten
Cruz is a natural born citizen by our laws, most importantly our first immigration law. The law was written by the first congress and contained many of the founders. I find it hard to believe that those who wrote the constitution made their first move to undermine it shortly after.

You mean the "Naturalization act of 1790"? Must have been a misnomer how they put the word "naturalization" in it. They should have called it the "Natural Born Citizen Act of 1790", but It's too late now.

168 posted on 03/23/2015 3:28:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Yaelle
His mom was seen with a newborn Barack she didn’t know how to take care of first in Seattle, where she had gone to high school, NOT in Hawaii where she had gotten pregnant and where her parents were. Occam’s razor is appropriate here. Teen girls in trouble in Seattle went to Canada to wait out their pregnancies and give the babies up for adoption. Who cares about citizenship laws at a time like that? The mulatto baby would go to a loving Canadian couple.

This is exactly what I think happened.

169 posted on 03/23/2015 3:30:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: bigdaddy45

You are assuming the mother’s citizenship is all that matters. It isn’t.


170 posted on 03/23/2015 3:31:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: HamiltonJay

“Its pathetic that the nation has been dumbed down to a point where they thing national born and native born are equivalent.”

Actually, it is you, the ignorant, that think there is a difference.


171 posted on 03/23/2015 3:32:00 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: philman_36

“positive law “

Is there a “negative law”? Seriously, don’t even try to talk like a lawyer. You embarrass yourself.


172 posted on 03/23/2015 3:32:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: discostu
The birthers were always barking up a silly tree, and now that tree is barking back.

Speaking of silly trees barking back, you sound like you are still smoking the weed.

173 posted on 03/23/2015 3:33:14 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Yaelle

Why does Obama have a social security # of a dead guy from Newtown CT.?


174 posted on 03/23/2015 3:33:20 PM PDT by petercooper ("How To Destroy The Country In 6 Short Years" by Barack Obama & the Democrats)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wow you must be desperate for your flame war fix. Sorry to disappoint, I ain’t biting.


175 posted on 03/23/2015 3:34:14 PM PDT by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: bigdaddy45

The United States Code clarifies who is and who is not a citizen. Period. If you don’t like, tough. It is the law and you aren’t going to change its interpretation.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.


176 posted on 03/23/2015 3:35:09 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: bigdaddy45

I just got a hilarious email about how Canadians are jumping the border into Canada. I sent it to a liberal that I know and she thought it was funny that I sent it to her on the day that Ted Cruz a Canadian, announced his candidacy.

I said , yes isnt this great, Obama was born in Kenya and that didn’t stop him from being elected as president, so now we can have a Candian born president. I didn’t hear a reply from her on that!


177 posted on 03/23/2015 3:36:51 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Zhang Fei

“The Obama citizenship ruckus was always a silly ploy by people who think they, not the courts, are the ultimate interpreters of the law.”

Only to you liberals that didn’t like the challenge. Obama, himself, said he was a foreigner. So sit on that and spin.


178 posted on 03/23/2015 3:36:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad
Well, your ignorance is acutely evident.

positive law
Positive laws (Latin: ius positum) are human-made laws that oblige or specify an action. It also describes the establishment of specific rights for an individual or group.

179 posted on 03/23/2015 3:36:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: CodeToad

And you use a positive law to assert your position.


180 posted on 03/23/2015 3:38:01 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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