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Shocking! CERN may not have discovered elusive Higgs Boson particle after all
Tech Times | ^ | November 8, 8:28 PM | Jim Algar,

Posted on 11/08/2014 6:14:39 PM PST by BenLurkin

Particle physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research announced 2 years ago they had discovered the Higgs particle, considered the foundation particle in the Standard Model of Particle physics, and a Nobel Prize was awarded to Peter Higgs and Francois Englert for their work on the theory of the Higgs boson.

Now, though, researchers at the University of Southern Denmark's Center for Cosmology and Particle Physics Phenomenology suggest that while the CERN scientists did discover a unique new particle, there's no conclusive evidence of it being the Higgs boson.

The Higgs could explain data obtained by CERN scientists using the Large Hadron Collider, but other particles could have created the data, suggesting there might be alternate explanations for it, they say in a paper published in the journal Physical Review D.

"The current data is not precise enough to determine exactly what the particle is," says university researcher Mads Toudal Frandsen. "It could be a number of other known particles."

One possibility is that the CERN team was seeing a theoretical particle dubbed the techni-higgs, he says.

"This particle is in some ways similar to the Higgs particle -- hence half of the name."

(Excerpt) Read more at techtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: cern; higgsboson; particles; stringtheory
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To: minnesota_bound

The trouble with global warming is that they’ve provided no way to actually test its validity, because whatever happens, it’s global warming! “Too hot this year? Global warming. Too cold? Also global warming. No difference at all? Well, just wait till next year.” Not to mention that there is absolutely no way to tell if it’s man-made or natural.


21 posted on 11/08/2014 7:10:38 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: dr_lew

A property of electrons is that the mass of the electron increases by a few orders of magnitude as it is super cooled. At or close to absolute zero while the mass has increased thousands of times the electrons super conduct. Weird critters.


22 posted on 11/08/2014 7:18:00 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: BenLurkin

If they don’t locate it soon we’re all likely to turn back into radio waves — please help find it. Wait.. I think I know who took it. Some talk show host got it to make radio waves turn into matter that will bludgeon his listeners. I’m not going to mention any names.


23 posted on 11/08/2014 7:18:08 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: jwalsh07
I find this discussed here. These "electrons" are excited states of certain solids involving the conduction bands. It is axiomatic in solid state physics that a "particle" is "an excited state of a system", and this is most evident with "phonons", or quantized vibrations of a solid. So, this sort of talk shouldn't be taken to imply any sort of modification of the electron as an elementary particle.
24 posted on 11/08/2014 7:36:04 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: LukeL
I have always wondered how they can detect these particles, as anything around the size of a quark or smaller has not been measured and is purely theoretical.

We have, however, seen the Black Hole. He's on TV all the time.


25 posted on 11/08/2014 7:44:28 PM PST by 867V309 (Crusade: the only solution.)
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26 posted on 11/08/2014 7:55:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Theories are constantly being rewritten to take into account new data.

One of the more common phrases used during experiments is:

“What the hell was that?”


27 posted on 11/08/2014 8:12:13 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: BenLurkin

Now, though, researchers at the University of Southern Denmark’s Center for Cosmetology and Particle Eye liner Phenomenology suggest that while the CERN scientists did discover a unique new particle, there’s no conclusive evidence of it being the Higgs boson.


28 posted on 11/08/2014 9:05:57 PM PST by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: BenLurkin

you win


29 posted on 11/08/2014 9:06:43 PM PST by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: BenLurkin

Beautiful, sweet, graceful, joyous, and a true humanitarian. Yes, she was a big fan of the UN, but her experience of international relief in Europe as a child after the War had a great deal to do with that.


30 posted on 11/08/2014 9:07:51 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: BenLurkin
It's a touchdown!

No, wait, they're saying he didn't get in.

31 posted on 11/08/2014 9:11:10 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: LukeL

Well you might wonder! There was a time when a particle was a particle, and the discovery of the positron is documented by a single photgraph of its track in a cloud chamber.

In the seventies, new particles such as the J/psi ( don’t ask ) were detected by a “resonance”, where the particle is created at a certain energy of interaction and decays instantly into detectable ( known ) particles. So it reveals itself as a “bump” in the graph of particle production versus energy.

This same idea carries into the detection of the Higgs boson, except that here it is at very high energy ( of course ) and is represented by a very faint signal. The interactions are detected by the billions and sent through data processing which sorts them according to various characteristics which leave a handful of candidates. Now it is up to the statistics to decide whether this handful is within random deviation, or so many sigmas beyond it.

Of course, it was determined that it was beyond chance, but it is still a detection of the most subtle and abstract kind - well beyond the “bumps” of the seventies. So that’s where we stand.


32 posted on 11/08/2014 10:21:09 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: BenLurkin

$ocialist $cientist $cams?

Mo money to find out with no consequences. Truth or consequences BUMP!


33 posted on 11/08/2014 10:32:31 PM PST by PGalt
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To: BenLurkin

So they discovered the Higgs Bogus-on ?


34 posted on 11/09/2014 1:06:04 AM PST by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: BenLurkin

The Hadron Collider was supposed to find the God particle, or Higgs- Boson. This was supposed to prove what happened when our universe was formed.
Before they started the collider the scientists were worried about creating a black hole which would swallow up the existing universe.
That didn’t happen
So maybe they didn’t find it after all. We’re still here.


35 posted on 11/09/2014 3:30:56 AM PST by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Based on extensive laboratory testing with a frog and a sledgehammer... we have determined that a meteor strike could be catastrophic."

And, like my button says, "A cat will almost always blink when bonked on the head with a hammer".

36 posted on 11/09/2014 4:32:35 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: BenLurkin

Many working scientists, along with many more science writers and academics chide the public often for - what they claim are - “anti-science” views. What is really going on in the public mind is not a rebuke of science but a rebuke of many scientists, for their own arrogance, their own constantly excessive claims and for tailoring science, and scientific claims to political agendas.


37 posted on 11/09/2014 9:34:02 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

It’s all explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM&spfreload=10


38 posted on 11/09/2014 1:03:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks BenLurkin.


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39 posted on 11/13/2014 5:40:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Eddie01

The only thing these guys ever find out for certain is that they’ll be needing more taxpayer money for more research.

That part’s chiseled in stone and truly “settled science”.


40 posted on 11/13/2014 5:54:56 PM PST by Bullish (A 5 year old could run the country better than Obama.)
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