Why I'm not a Libertarian

vanity | 08/04/2014 | chuckles

[Usagi_yo]

The anti-war movement was actually co-opted by the Democrats

Reagan gave us one of the most vilest things this country has, but I forgive him because he did it in all earnest. Every law the government makes gets corrupted as time goes by.

Asset forfeiture.

[Blueflag]

I am not a capital “L” libertarian because the party tends to run nut cases for candidates.

I see myself as a Constitutional ‘originalist,’ a social and economic libertarian, capitalist, pragmatist, and anti-federalist in the 1787 way, and a moral conservative Christian.

In other words, the modern Tea Party. ;-)

[VR-21]

BlueFlag, you spoke for me as well.

[Drango]

Losertarians a just strange.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Nice broad brush you got there.

How many Republicans actually stand for the beliefs that they're supposed to be standing for?

There are pro-life, pro-national security, pro-border security, and pro-traditional values libertarians; just as there are pro-abortion, pro-interventionist, pro-homosexual, and pro-open border Republicans.

I am a proud conservative-libertarian, and yes, the two ideologies go hand-in-hand and compliment each other.

[Moonman62]

Libertarians are anarchists who own property.

[mlo]

You believe in freedom as a principle, a fundamental human right, or you don’t. If you believe in it only for people that do what you approve of, you don’t really believe in it.

[DiogenesLamp]

Libertarian economic theory can be traced back to Adam Smith. Conservative Social theory traces back to Edmund Burke.

What many people do not know is that Adam Smith and Edmund Burke were good personal friends, and their theories were intended to work together, not be regarded as two separate and mutually exclusive ideas.

No economic system will function without strong moral underpinnings to protect it.

Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.

Edmund Burke 1791

Morality is necessary to the function of civil society. You can't have a financially free, but morally corrupt society. It will collapse.

[TADSLOS]

Libertarians are anarchists who own property.

LOL, and want their property protected by the same governing system that anarchists want to burn.

[chuckles]

I didn’t say I was a Republican. I’m a conservative. As long as conservatives have a place in the Rep party. I will vote rep. When they decide social matters don’t matter and make deals with socialists, what part is left for me?

[SoConPubbie]

I see myself as a Constitutional ‘originalist,’ a social and economic libertarian, capitalist, pragmatist, and anti-federalist in the 1787 way, and a moral conservative Christian.

Unless I am misunderstanding your post, you cannot be a social libertarian and a moral conservative Christian.

Those two characteristics cannot co-exist in the same body.

[SoConPubbie]

You believe in freedom as a principle, a fundamental human right, or you don’t. If you believe in it only for people that do what you approve of, you don’t really believe in it.

The idea, if you are a conservative, is that your rights are given to you by God, whose foundational standards define your rights.

[chuckles]

PS. It was really persons like you that I wrote the screed. If you go to a Libertarian function, you will see the side I wrote about. A good example is on Fox on the weekends. Jonathan Hoenig is what I'm writing about. He's a hedge fund manager that wants dope, open borders, and bring the troops home. He's an atheist except when Ann Rand is mentioned and the worship begins. You will be consistently disappointed if you stay with libertarians. John Stossel will openly state he is an atheist and is befuddled how anyone has any morals that don't jive with libertarianism.

It's the pro-life, pro-border, pro-nat security, pro-traditional value, libertarians that are confused. They will be overruled 100% of the time.

One of the other posters already brought up that they were anarchists with property. That just about covers it.

[chuckles]

It's not whether I approve of people's actions, but whether God approves of them. If the Bible states sodomy is an abomination, then why would I argue with Him to say he has the right? Lev 18:22 states we cannot even agree to allow sodomy in our land or the land will "vomit" us out. People are making up their own rights that are specifically denied from God. Children were murdered to please Molech. What was God's opinion of Molech? If drunkards will not see the Kingdom of Heaven, what will a Meth head get?

I watched the strangest thing a few days ago. Pelosi quoted the Bible about Jesus to make a point of why we should open our borders. This is the same lady from a place where men wear dresses and have anal sex in parades. She is responsible for million of dead babies and she wants to use the Bible for her reasoning. Just because a libertarian thinks he has the right to do something doesn't mean it lines up with Natural Law.

[coloradan]

Arming Syrian rebels and supporting the Egyptian Arab Spring protestors and walking guns to know Mexican drug lords isn’t “not getting involved” as you falsely claim.

[Baynative]

"If you were against the war, you were a Democrat and for the war, a Republican."

I am amused at the irony of the people in the streets who wanted less government becoming democrats.

[ansel12]

In other words, the modern Tea Party.

Except that the tea party isn't libertarian, it is actually more religious and more socially conservative than the average republican, not less so.

[chuckles]

No I call that treason. He consistently supports enemies of the US. Supporting our friends is just “foreign policy”. Supporting the wrong side is called “transforming America”. Not supporting anyone is just being more flexible after he’s re elected.

[DManA]

You don’t know what a libertarian is you fool.