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New evidence suggests the Black Death bacterium caused the Justinianic Plague of the sixth to eighth centuries. The pandemic, named after the Byzantine emperor Justinian I (shown here), killed more than 100 million people.

New evidence suggests the Black Death bacterium caused the Justinianic Plague of the sixth to eighth centuries. The pandemic, named after the Byzantine emperor Justinian I (shown here), killed more than 100 million people.

1 posted on 05/12/2013 6:14:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: Travis McGee

YP ing.


3 posted on 05/12/2013 6:18:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The answer to the problem of disease? Rife Machines.
Don’t know what that is? Google it!


4 posted on 05/12/2013 6:20:37 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: SunkenCiv
The US already has its plague.

...They're called liberals.

5 posted on 05/12/2013 6:30:27 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: SunkenCiv

I never liked that Justinian guy. He had shifty eyes.


7 posted on 05/12/2013 6:36:44 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Informative read. Thanks for posting.


8 posted on 05/12/2013 6:38:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: SunkenCiv

And like AIDS , was is spread through blood as a result of using the sex organs unnaturally?


9 posted on 05/12/2013 6:38:33 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: SunkenCiv

So, the plague helped bring down the Roman Empire. I guess that means that we don’t stand a chance against the Obamanus Pelosium bacterium.


10 posted on 05/12/2013 6:40:02 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: SunkenCiv

There was an earlier plague in Roman history in the 160s—Lucius Verus, co-emperor with Marcus Aurelius, campaigned against the Parthians (161-165) and his soldiers picked up the plague in Mesopotamia, bringing it back with them.


11 posted on 05/12/2013 6:45:31 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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12 posted on 05/12/2013 6:46:30 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thucydides in his “History of the Peloponnesian War”, described the plague which really was what defeated Athens. He should have known as he survived it.

He described it in great detail and it does not match any known disease.


23 posted on 05/12/2013 6:57:46 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Most of the big plagues begin in the rainy period after a Great Drought. That's when the grass comes back, the animals that eat grass thrive and multiply, and the bacteria or virus they might carry gets spread around.

A hanta virus plague was well underway in the Americas when the first Conquistidores visited Peru. They wrote about it. Many of them also died from it. There was a later plague on the US East Coast that had a 95% death rate in the winter of 1646/47 ~ and again in 1647/48. White folks gained the upper hand in the territory after that one simply because they could import more white folks. The Indians were eventually reduced to becoming game hunters in the new economy.

The Justinian thing has always been dismissed as the cause of the destruction of Western and Northern Europe ~ but yet if that plague also arrived on the heels of a wet spell after a lengthy drought, quite possibly we should blame the drought and its cause. That's the event(s) of 535 AD ~ which may have involved a large comet or asteroid passing close to Earth, or a gigantic volcano eruption, or both, or a bunch of 'em!

If the black death was let loose in Europe then the death rate was probably as high as we can imagine.

Cystic Fibrosis researchers have identified more than 1,000 different CF gene mutations ~ 1,000! If we have but one such mutation each time whatever it is CF protects us against, that means that cause keeps coming back and attacking Europeans! (and perhaps others ~ estimates for CF in India are roughly the same)

The CF theory is that the CF mutation(s) protect people from the black death in the same way Sickle Cell disease protects subsaharan Africans from malaria!

It's an autosomal recessive, so you have to have two copies of a mutated CF gene to develop the symptoms. If you have only one copy, you are safe from black death. If you have no copies you are not safe from black death.

The current theory is that when the black death hit Europe in the Middle Ages the death rate was 100% among people without a mutated CF gene! They all died. The plague didn't mutate since it was the same old plague that'd swept through Europe ~ literally a rat infested Europe ~ time after time for thousands of years. The observation of different death rates merely marked the difference in time since the last plague swept through an area. The further North you'd go, the more people had the mutated CF genes from more recent plagues, so they'd have a lower death rate. In the South where people had a longer time span between plagues, fewer had the mutated CF gene so more of them died.

You can also see an incentive for the Mongols to give up herding animals on the vast grasslands of Mongolia and relocate to far more healthy China! They would have done that hundreds of times before. BTW, the North/South migrations of the Turcic speaking people of the Steppes would also be coordinated in time with the Great Droughts, not just the arrival of the plague. Drought arrives; animals starve; people go South.

The black death is also present in the Americas but historical records suggest that hanta is the greater threat here.

Fortunately for all of us the human reproductive rate is sufficient to keep our numbers up ahead of the worst the plagues can do to us.

29 posted on 05/12/2013 7:12:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

Did not help that European cultural superstitions included fear of felines which led rats running wild if left unchecked. Also, any city that took their public work projects for granted were fair game. Once the pandemic stage hit (fleas/ticks), then all bets were off.


41 posted on 05/12/2013 8:12:35 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I was given to understand that based on forensics and historical data, that the extensive use of lead for carrying water and in eating/drinking utensils was a major contributor to the decline. Lead poisoning causes all sorts of nasty mental and physical problems.


45 posted on 05/12/2013 8:34:53 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: SunkenCiv

rats or immigrants?


51 posted on 05/12/2013 9:55:41 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

this first pandemic originated in Asia

The Second one was in the 600’s. It was called ISLAM and its still with us.


59 posted on 05/13/2013 8:51:37 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: SunkenCiv

Helluva way to kick off the Dark Ages. Lots of interesting history, but at times they really were just “Dark.”


87 posted on 05/14/2013 2:13:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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