Posted on 10/22/2012 4:26:59 AM PDT by Perdogg
How about, "everyone goes 65mph on this stretch of road, Officer." Has that ever worked?
How about, "you have singled me out because I'm successful, and you are French?" LOL
Ok, not getting that naner naner thing.
I agree these biking overseer groups were searching for ‘facts’ desperately in order to take Armstrong down.
Okay, so let’s assume that’s true. Lance Armstrong was probably cheating, and probably so was everybody else but one who was on the Tour winners’ podium during his run, and probably so were four out of every five guys on the podium the next five years after (and the ADAs were up and running during all this, by the way, and even if they weren’t, you’d think UCI would want to keep cycling clean and Amaury Sport wouldn’t want to get cheated out of the prize money). This is not a cheating problem. This is a complete, chronic, endemic loss-of-institutional-control problem. That’s why I’m not ready to crap on Lance. He’s not the cause. He’s a symptom.
did you see the criteria for the joke of a hearing?
NO right to see evidence.
No right to examine the accusers before trial
No right to examine or challenge the methods of obtaining the evidence.
That was no a tria or a hearing, it was just a reading of the verdict with a chance to read a meaningless response post sentence.
Even a 100% guilty murderer had more of an opportunity for trial.
I find that hard to believe. Where is that found???
George Hincapie testified against Lance Armstrong. And George was never caught doping. George never failed a drug test.
George testified that both he and Armstrong cheated. George rode with Armstrong for all 7 TdF races.
He did not testify for a lesser sentence or fine. He came forward and fully confessed with no history of pending judgements or suspensions or failed tests...
Adjudication
USADA has developed and instituted an adjudication program that is fair and credible when an athlete is found to be in violation of anti-doping rules and regulations. USADA’s adjudication process relies on an American Arbitration Association (AAA)/Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) arbitrated hearing under modified AAA Commercial Rules.
The objectives of the USADA adjudication system are to provide a process which:
is fair to athletes
has international credibility
provides for a full evidentiary hearing before experienced, internationally recognized arbitrators
decreases the likelihood that an athlete will be subject to subsequent proceedings initiated by an International Federation; and
eliminates the NGBs involvement in sanctioning their own athletes
http://www.usada.org/adjudication/
it has been on all the early threads, it was in armstrong’s laywer’s statement when he anounced he was not going to fight. It was in the court case he filed to object to the methods of the “hearing” when he was demanding a more due process system.
It just makes you wonder just “WHY?” this anti-doping group is so darn scared of an open and fair (see due process) hearing on destroying someone’s reputation after SEVEN years.
BTW test samples are only kept for seven years....hmmmmmmmmm.
Ok, so George never failed a test but came forward?
To testify against Lance who also never failed a test?
And you don’t find that strange?
Why would a guy who was never charged and never failed a test, ‘come forward’?
Don’t you find that strange?
the USADA as an impartial organization is loooooong gone.
you are citing their own info about themselves.
I am sure the original inquisition thought they were fair too.
fair to athletes after seven years?
fair to prohibit cross examaination and inquiry?
fair to prohibit inquiry in to HOW evidence was obtained and what deals were cut?
fair to prohibit pre-trial/hearing discovery?
fair to prohibit competing organizations...(IOW prevent other groups from competing and thus this is little more than a turf war)
citing the pr memo changes nothing.
Armstong may very well be guilty as all sin, but the USADA is more culpable in this mess for its utter failure to provide a valid impartial forum. The outcome was pre-ordaned and no amount of due process with challenged their turf was going to be allowed.
A real honest trial/hearing would have given them credibility and eliminated any conspiracy debate.
I do hope at this point a new body is formed and the USADA is defunded.
Arbitration is not the due process of the American court system with all its constitutional rights. But every cyclist is under its rules.
The problem is that LA doesn't like anybody's rules. He wants to manipulate every institution for his own benefit.
At the USADA everyone gets the same due process -- but LA wants his own special due process.
He wasn't willing to compete in a fair cycling race unless he had the advantage and he wouldn't contest the USADA charges unless he had the advantage there as well.
The outcome was pre-ordaned
The outcome was pre-ordained when LA saw that he had 26 witnesses against him all of whom were prepared to testify just how they were able to dope and still pass all those tests that LA intended to present as his evidence. In short their testimony would have trumped his evidence big time.
but testimony as to just how the team was able to dope and still pass those tests is forever.
It's found under the Chapter titled, "Confirmation Bias: Pre-Hearing Attorney Statements Always Outweigh Evidence if You are so Inclined."
You can find it in the mythical pro-Armstrong book, on the shelf next to the USADA report that no one has read.
Having watched the Tour for several years running, going back into the Lance era, I can only say that I'm very disappointed, and will never see the sport the same again. I won't be watching the Tour de France again any time soon, and Lance Armstrong just becomes another one of those names of cyclists who have been disgraced due to doping.
I did not say he didn’t cheat.
When are the Rolling Stones going to be stripped of their tour titles for using performance enhancing drugs (especially in the 1970s)?
Take away their gold records, too!
Because its time to be honest?
Guilty Conscience?
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