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Armstrong banned for life, stripped of seven Tour titles
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Posted on 10/22/2012 4:26:59 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Perdogg

You know what? The denial of reality we are seeing among Armstrong’s supporters is no different from the denial of reality among Obama supporters!


101 posted on 10/22/2012 1:00:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

that that we have to blame the anti-doping group. It is their fault for not doing a full on open trial with cross and depositions.

What were they so scared of since they had this evidence? they win a battle and now have lost the war.


102 posted on 10/22/2012 1:04:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Revolting cat!
I can't friggin' believe it. A significant portion of them believe that it's all a conspiracy formulated by the French.

Seriously? These people vote?

103 posted on 10/22/2012 1:25:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: longtermmemmory

Hello? What’s the darn report about, then?


104 posted on 10/22/2012 1:26:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: svcw
People testified against him, that is not evidence.

I hope you don't think you can get away with robbing a bank because the camera broke and all the prosecution has against you is tellers stating that you did it.

105 posted on 10/22/2012 1:37:50 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: 1rudeboy

“A report” is not a trial.

An accused should have the right (does have the right) to face and examine the accusers. To examine their SCIENTIFIC basis for their accusations.

mere blah blah is not enough. then it is just he said vs he said.

What about the personal vendettas?

If armstrong and his lawyers can’t take that appart then the accusation stands. If the accusation can’t stand the light of examination then it should and must fail.

With a few dollars and personal vendettas ANYONE can be smeared with anything.


106 posted on 10/22/2012 1:41:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: steve86

Oh good grief.
These people who testified against him were caught doping they testified against Armstrong for a lesser sentence/fine or whatever.
The testimony becomes relevant with other evidence, there was none.


107 posted on 10/22/2012 1:44:45 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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You are making stuff up.


108 posted on 10/22/2012 1:49:27 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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no but a defendant does have the right to examine the witness to establish they were actually there, they acutally did SEE what they claim (not in a back room etc.)

IOW a real trial.

Even when there is a murder with no body found, there is actual cross examination.


109 posted on 10/22/2012 1:57:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: steve86

Ok, whatever.


110 posted on 10/22/2012 2:05:08 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: 1rudeboy

<>I can’t friggin’ believe it. A significant portion of them believe that it’s all a conspiracy formulated by the French.<>

They fail to realize that the USADA is not a French agency nor consider the long list of cyclists [French included] who were caught and banned from the sport long before they zeroed in on LA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling


111 posted on 10/22/2012 2:06:22 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: longtermmemmory
An accused should have the right (does have the right) to face and examine the accusers.

He did. Armstrong had the opportunity to take the case to arbitration but he declined.

Ask yourself WHY??? It's not for lack of money which he has plenty of -- a little less now.

112 posted on 10/22/2012 2:21:00 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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He has said why many times - he is just sick of the circus, and just wants it to end.
Silence does not mean guilt.


113 posted on 10/22/2012 2:29:42 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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He has said why many times - he is just sick of the circus, and just wants it to end.

Then there is a way to end it and that is in a court of law or in this case a court of arbitration. And he already had attorneys on retainer.

Silence does not mean guilt.

Who are you kidding???

Try being silent in a court case sometime and see how that works for you.

He had the time and money and resources and reasons to contest these charges in arbitration, but chose not to because the evidence against him was incontrovertible.

114 posted on 10/22/2012 2:55:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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If this were a court case you might have a point.

No the evidence was not, over 200 test no proof. There were those who testify against him, to reduce their issues.

He has been fighting these people for years...

Oh, never mind, there are just many who do not like success, no matter what field and will do what they can by hook or crook to take down those on top.


115 posted on 10/22/2012 2:59:50 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: longtermmemmory
“A report” is not a trial.

And Lance is not in jail.

116 posted on 10/22/2012 3:13:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: svcw
Silence does not mean guilt.

Nor does it mean, "nah nah, you can't do anything."

117 posted on 10/22/2012 3:15:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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How about we throw out all of the Football Basketball, pros who have been found guilty of the same thing or worse.
118 posted on 10/22/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ( 1 retarded man is a pity, two retarded men are a law practice and three are a congress)
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Oh, never mind, there are just many who do not like success, no matter what field and will do what they can by hook or crook to take down those on top.

An unsupported conclusion (in this case), desperately in search of facts.

119 posted on 10/22/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BooBoo1000

Good idea.


120 posted on 10/22/2012 3:18:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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