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Here's my solution to the Penn State fiasco...

Posted on 07/17/2012 10:11:38 AM PDT by mamelukesabre

Edited on 07/17/2012 10:37:32 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

No more sports *PERIOD* for the entire university for 50 years!

Seriously. Shut it all down. I'm sick of this BS. I don't even care who is to blame anymore. Paterno, Sandusky, Larry, curley, or moe...I really don't give a (expletive deleted). Fire all current staff and shut it down...from the very tipity top all the way down to the towel boy and the cheerleading squad. I don't give a damn if the problem is only in the football program either. Shut down every goddam sport at Penn state. Bulldoze the sporting complex and plow up the fields. All of it.


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KEYWORDS: joepa; pennstate; sandusky; sports; vanity
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1 posted on 07/17/2012 10:11:45 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Sounds good to me.


2 posted on 07/17/2012 10:15:25 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Change the name to State Penn and incarcerate pedophiles in the facilities. It already has showers which can double as an inmate recreational area.


3 posted on 07/17/2012 10:18:25 AM PDT by polkajello (Romney: The Lesser of Two Weasels)
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To: mamelukesabre

I agree with you. I’m sick of hearing that the trustees may have known, different officials may have known, etc. These people should be all be canned IMMEDIATELY and the football program should be completely dissolved.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 10:18:45 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: mamelukesabre

I’m inclined to agree.

Collitch football. Does it make a net income for the collitch? If it does, let’s be frank about it and treat it lke a profit-making adjunct to a non-profit institution.

If it DOESN’T then cui bono? To whose REAL benefit is it.

I look at the University stadium where I live. It’s got a jumbotron and all that stuff. And the cost of security alone at a football game — gotta be minimum $100k. If university sports teams are farm teams + diplomas, okay. Let’s just be clear.


5 posted on 07/17/2012 10:20:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab veneno gradere.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Instead of shutting it down just rename the school to Pedophile State University. That will have a much bigger effect.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 10:23:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mamelukesabre

But that might offend somebody. /s (quoting the egghead Board of Trustees).

Seriously, my hubby and I were talking about this yesterday. I suggested the program needs shuttering for 5-10 years and then let them rebuild (if they can). Anyone on a football scholarship needs to be fully compensated by Penn State.

Oh, and they need to ‘clean house’ just like you suggested.


7 posted on 07/17/2012 10:23:36 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: mamelukesabre

I have a suggestion that is both more extreme and less extreme: fire all the athletic staff, but don’t abolish athletics, instead return them to their roots as student-organized student activities. If they want a coach, let them find a member of the faculty who used to play the sport in question to volunteer his or her time to coach them like college sports had back at the turn of the twentieth century. (Heck, I’d even go so far as to allow a faculty member coaching a sports team to get a one-course per year load reduction during the semester that contained the bulk of the given sport’s season.)


8 posted on 07/17/2012 10:27:15 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Anyone on a football scholarship needs to be fully compensated by Penn State.

I don't agree with that. Just allow them to transfer to wherever they prefer without being penalized for doing so (normally transfers have to sit a year). If they were on scholarship to PSU, there will definitely be schools that want them.

9 posted on 07/17/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: mamelukesabre

It would help to get government out of the schools and put God back into our school system. Then we can love sports and have people like Tebow, who can be role models for our young. Hard work and physical excellence should have a place in the formation of character.

Currently—all media glorifies evil athletes and denigrates the Godly ones. It changed in the 70’s when moral relativism (situational ethics) was forced into the classroom and God eliminated from the public square.

The Ethics of Marx was forced into our Nation and our Rights from God ejected. (Unconstitutional).

Justice was eliminated and unequal law—was allowed by “judges” and courts to create Legal Positivism—Rule of Man—where Moral Absolutes no longer existed in American jurisprudence-—the Ethics of Marx and perverts removed the Ethics of the Bible—the basis of Common Law and all American Jurisprudence until Oliver Wendell Holmes (Fabian Socialist) helped removed God from Law Schools and the courts.

Culture needs to have moral role models if society is to survive. We need to put character and statesmanship back into politics and universities.

Morality CANNOT exist in the schools when government has their iron grip on them. Government needs to get out-—and unions—and parents need to control the boards and understand Marxist ideology and its evil and incompatibility with U.S. Constitution. It is evil and dehumanizing and belongs OUT of our schools. Right now Marxist/atheism is the only allowed religion and belief system in these universities. It leads to all sorts of immorality-—such as Sandusky. Without God, there is no Right and Wrong.

Virtue is necessary for freedom and a Republic. It is why the Cultural Marxists are destroying Virtue in children through Sex Ed in schools and vulgar entertainment. It is intentional because immorality will destroy culture and bring down our Nation. Decades of this Godlessness is showing its ugly head—culminating in Sandusky.

The promotion of sodomy by all universities is evil and will result in evil and the idea that there is no Right and Wrong. (If it feels good, do it—Cultural Marxist philosophy). Who (if no God) will dare say sodomy with boys is “wrong”, if sodomy is “good” and natural?


10 posted on 07/17/2012 10:35:19 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: mamelukesabre
I can go along with most of you ideas. However on bulldozing the buildings and field, I have to say no.
The entire complex (including the statute of Paterno should be left as is for the next 50 years. Fence them in and padlock them and put armed guards to keep the local trash from trashing them. But let the dust, cobwebs and normal decay take place. Then in 50 years, open it up to studies of just how big money corrupted college sports. By then, it should be the perfect setting.
11 posted on 07/17/2012 10:35:48 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: justice14

Thanks for clarifying. I thought they had to stay at the school if they were there via a scholarship.


12 posted on 07/17/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: mamelukesabre

Which is why you don’t allow irrational emotion to drive what ought to be done.

1. Fire everyone who knew about this and did nothing.
2. Prosecute everyone who knew about this and did nothing. People with more power bear more responsibility and need harsher penalties.

3. After their trials begin their immediate jail sentences.
4. Suspend any sports programs affected by this for 1 year, in order to hire suitable, sound replacements and begin rebuilding the teams around decent coaches and support staff. Forcing them to take a year off allows them to get vet people more thoroughly without worrying about just getting anyone in because they need to get ready quickly for competition.

You don’t kill off all sports because that doesn’t hurt the perverts, it hurts hundreds of kids across however many years you kill off sports. The goal is to punish those that actually deserve the punishing.

5. You revamp rules and procedures for coaches and support staff for being around kids.

6. It might be a good thing for the athletic programs to only focus on their college athletes rather than having extra, unnecessary special programs for younger pre college students. Restrict their athletic programs only to their adult college athletes to prevent things like this from occurring again.


13 posted on 07/17/2012 10:37:06 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Agree completely. Leave the statue in place, but tear down the stadium.


14 posted on 07/17/2012 10:38:32 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: mamelukesabre

During the Great Global Warming Crime debacle, featuring Penn State’s Michael Mann, the East Anglia, Global Climate Unit, NASA’s Hansen’s complicit emails, I wrote an email to PSU calling for the firing of Michael Mann.

I got back an email that started with “Dear Citizen of the Globe....”

Bulldoze it, dynamite it, and ban PSU from NCAA for a generation or more. They deserve no less.


15 posted on 07/17/2012 10:38:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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16 posted on 07/17/2012 10:40:09 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The fans are the real ones who enabled this, and they are the ones who deserve the punishment. Total loss of perspective on how insignificant sports are.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 10:41:08 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: mamelukesabre

I remember that PSU would make the claim that the Football program essential underwrote all the other sports at the University. We’re about to find out the extent of the Truth in that statement as I expect that football will be shut down for at least one season.

The longer the trustees drag their feet on developing their plan for regaining control of the football program the more likely the NCAA (or possibly the Big Ten Conference) will do it for them.

I would like to see the Big Ten kick PSU out. When PSU eventually re-establishes the program they should probably be forced to play as a Div 1 A-A or Div II. Without a conference schedule that will be the best that they can do. The program will necessarily shrink to one of controllable proportions.

Next problem is to get rid of the bloat on the PSU Board of Trustees. It’s too large to be an effective decision-making body.


18 posted on 07/17/2012 10:41:17 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: mamelukesabre
Here's mine....


19 posted on 07/17/2012 10:41:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: mamelukesabre

This is ridiculous. I am sick of the rush to crucify Penn State for turning a blind eye to a pediphile. They were wrong, unabashedly wrong. The Head of the University at that time should have been fired and new guidelines created. That is the sum total. What sanctimonious nonsense is being spouted on this board. When public school teachers by the hundreds, catholic priests, UN workers, British public school teachers, boy scout leaders and hosts of thousands have committed the same heinous acts and have had their behavior covered over and sheltered from consequence, this is the incidence that we must unleash the wrath of the Gods upon and sow the ground with salt.
For shame. Let’s stop overreacting and beating chests. The blind eye approach was wrong but it has been wrong every time. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and it is working throughout the country as we become aware of the failure of oversight at Penn State. Perhaps the next group of people who become aware of a problem will meet it head on despite the bad publicity that may result.
Perhaps we should also stop the gradual slide towards immorality from the mainstreaming of NAMBLA and the accomodation of sexual access to our children in schools by agenda driven educators while we are at it.


20 posted on 07/17/2012 10:44:20 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: mamelukesabre

The conservative response to the media-lynch job here is frightening.


21 posted on 07/17/2012 10:44:30 AM PDT by A-B-O
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To: mamelukesabre

I suppose you support bulldozing every catholic church in the country as well right?


22 posted on 07/17/2012 10:44:49 AM PDT by A-B-O
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—I don’t even care who is to blame anymore. —

I’m with you. It’s a school in one of the few states I’ve never been in and none of my kids is likely to attend there.

That makes this story, compared to all the other news stories being covered the last year or so, page 27 material.

IOW, I don’t care either.


23 posted on 07/17/2012 10:49:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeah, sure. Punish everyone for the mistakes of a few. Kind of a childish reaction, IMHO. I also think that quite a few in the MSM are piling on here because PSU is a relatively conservative school.

I guarantee that 99.99% of PSU alumni and students would have supported firing Sandusky in a heartbeat given what he had done. The people in charge who touched this tar baby should be fired and, if warranted, prosecuted. I also think that Paterno’s statue should be removed. Maybe suspend the football program for 1-2 years for good measure. Anything other than that is overkill.


24 posted on 07/17/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: central_va

Avatar, how it should have ended:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk


25 posted on 07/17/2012 10:50:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: A-B-O

ABO noobs should be lynched.


26 posted on 07/17/2012 10:50:55 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ok just have a four year phase out of ALL sports.

Sorry but it has to be all of them. From the women’s rowing on up.

A four year phase out keeps new kids from being penalized and allows those in to finish. In the alternative allow those who transfer out of penn state to not affect the team caps of the recieving schools. this also includes screening players to ensure they were not active participants in the sandusky homosexual scandal.

I still the the shut it ALL down period is the best way to go. 50 years allows two generations to pass.

40 the same.

no less then 20 years to put a knife in how serious this is to be taken and an example to be set in all schools and in all sports. There is no place for such deviancy in society.


27 posted on 07/17/2012 10:50:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You don’t kill off all sports because that doesn’t hurt the perverts, it hurts hundreds of kids across however many years you kill off sports. The goal is to punish those that actually deserve the punishing.
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Oh gimme a break. Those kids can go to some other school. I’m punishing the school, not the kids.


28 posted on 07/17/2012 10:54:19 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Are you the guy in charge of maintaining and administering the WWII monuments in Germany? Same approach.


29 posted on 07/17/2012 10:54:28 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: rbg81

it is not enough.

this conduct IS institutional.

The students can transfer. Should keep their scholarships regardless.

P S U is not paying a high enough price.


30 posted on 07/17/2012 11:00:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mamelukesabre

Next time you have a headache, cut off your head. If you fire, prosecute and jail everyone associated with this at the school, there would be nobody left at the school that requires or deserves punishment.

But feel free to allow emotion and being caught up in the fervor to over- react.


31 posted on 07/17/2012 11:02:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rbg81
I also think that quite a few in the MSM are piling on here because PSU is a relatively conservative school.

I'm curious how you came the conclusion that PSU is a 'conservative' school?

32 posted on 07/17/2012 11:03:51 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: ZX12R

A report (with no subpeona power) done by a leftist political hack, hired by leftist Board of Trustees, produced virtually no new evidence yet re-ignite a firestorm of controversy to take down a conservative Republican head football coach.

If you bothered to read the Freeh report, there was nothing new in there that wasn’t already know. He just “came to his own conclusions” based on what was already known.

Since when does left-wing hatchup jobs pass as the truth on here?

Did Paterno not do as much as he could here? Of course not, he could have done more. Was there a systemic coverup orchestrated by Joe Paterno to protect the University from bad press? Absolutely zero evidence to support such nonsense.


33 posted on 07/17/2012 11:06:52 AM PDT by A-B-O
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To: Tallguy

I hesitate to say this, because, as an FSU graduate, it will sound like a self-serving plan, but I believe that every Penn State football victory from the time of the first Sandusky allegation onward should be vacated. Joe Paterno would not have been able to survive as head coach if we knew then what we know now, so he shouldn’t be credited with victories he wouldn’t have earned if his actions (covering up for Sandusky) had been uncovered sooner.

This is only fair. When my Seminoles were found to have had some players who cheated on an online exam, we self-reported and implemented our own penalties. The NCAA response was to go a step further and vacate all of Bobby Bowden’s victories involving any of those players. In fact, those players were retroactively determined to be ineligible from the moment that they cheated.

In the Penn State case, I believe that Joe Paterno should likewise be retroactively determined to be ineligible to coach from the moment that he covered up Sandusky’s crime.


34 posted on 07/17/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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I hesitate to say this, because, as an FSU graduate, it will sound like a self-serving plan, but I believe that every Penn State football victory from the time of the first Sandusky allegation onward should be vacated.

This UF Grad agrees with you.

35 posted on 07/17/2012 11:10:44 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: RightFighter

As far as I am concerned Eddie Robinson is still the all-time winningest coach.

What really is disgusting to me, is that this story only broke, RIGHT AFTER Paterno passed Robinson for most wins.


36 posted on 07/17/2012 11:12:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: mamelukesabre
Why isn't the whole scandal just chalked up as another victory for Faggot Lib. Here was your scoutmaster type setting himself up for fishing.

The homos always say that the perp is a pedophile and not one of them but he was a HOMOSEXUAL pedophile. The percentage of homosexuals who are pedophiles is much higher than heterosexuals who are pedophiles. Could it be that one perversion leads to another?

37 posted on 07/17/2012 11:15:00 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Tallguy

I know many PSU students and alumni (though I am not one). Also, haven’t ya heard? Pennsylvanian’s cling to their guns and religion.


38 posted on 07/17/2012 11:16:03 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Nope. I believe, technically, it’s a year to year thing. Most of the time there is the unwritten rule that they last for 4 years, unless it’s made clear to the athlete that he has one b/c their were extra or something.


39 posted on 07/17/2012 11:17:02 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: A-B-O

He is not talking about buildings he is talking about perverts, whether the Catholic church OR Penn State.


40 posted on 07/17/2012 11:17:49 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: A-B-O

He is not talking about buildings he is talking about perverts, whether the Catholic church OR Penn State.


41 posted on 07/17/2012 11:18:04 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: longtermmemmory

So they can transfer to other schools, and the better athletes will bump all the other schools athletes from playing time or whataever.

Yea, that’s logical? Why don’t we just blow up every Catholic Church in the country after we’re done razing the Penn State campus.


42 posted on 07/17/2012 11:18:38 AM PDT by A-B-O
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To: Tallguy; rbg81

Isn’t PSU the place where those “scientists” were caught lying about global warming?


43 posted on 07/17/2012 11:22:26 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: mamelukesabre
I'll bet that Penn State isn't the only college with problems associated with it's Athletics program. What's the biggest issue regarding college these days? The college bowl playoff system.

Yeah, that's 'crazy talk' to demand that academics be the only focus of an academic institution.

44 posted on 07/17/2012 11:22:26 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed with me that the victories should be vacated, or agree with me that it sounds self-serving? ;)


45 posted on 07/17/2012 11:23:01 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: RightFighter

Well I don’t see quite what’s so self-serving, considering that Bowden would still be behind Robinson.

And BTW, there is one college football coach that has more wins than Paterno, John Gagliardi.


46 posted on 07/17/2012 11:30:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: RightFighter

Not to change the subject, but Bobby Bowden was credited by the NCAA for college coaching victories earned at a non-Division I college that later became Div. I. It made no sense.

But you’re right. FSU stepped up as PSU needs to now. I say that as a former PSU student (but not a grad).


47 posted on 07/17/2012 11:32:20 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: fish hawk

So he is insinuating every student-athlete or coach at Penn State is a pervert so we must take their recreational activity away from them?


48 posted on 07/17/2012 11:32:43 AM PDT by A-B-O
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To: mamelukesabre

Who gave a rat’s ass about Joe Paterno and his clowns when he was alive? ( HE’s DEAD, JIM.) As far as I am concerned he and his million dollar salary were nothing but a leech on Pennsylvania’s taxpayers.


49 posted on 07/17/2012 11:35:07 AM PDT by Energizer45678
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To: babble-on

I disagree. Only people in specific positions in the university are actually able to have power to make the necessary changes and they are supposed to be able to deal with external pressures and still make the right decisions. These are people that actually had the responsibility to make the right choices and had the legitimate power to do it, and failed.


50 posted on 07/17/2012 11:36:01 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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