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Former astronaut: Man not alone in universe
cnn ^ | April 20 2009

Posted on 04/20/2009 3:40:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono

Earth Day may fall later this week, but as far as former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell and other UFO enthusiasts are concerned, the real story is happening elsewhere. Mitchell, who was part of the 1971 Apollo 14 moon mission, asserted Monday that extraterrestrial life exists, and that the truth is being concealed by the U.S. and other governments. He delivered his remarks during an appearance at the National Press Club following the conclusion of the fifth annual X-Conference, a meeting of UFO activists and researchers studying the possibility of alien life forms. Mankind has long wondered if we're "alone in the universe. [But] only in our period do we really have evidence. No, we're not alone," Mitchell said. "Our destiny, in my opinion, and we might as well get started with it, is [to] become a part of the planetary community. ... We should be ready to reach out beyond our planet and beyond our solar system to find out what is really going on out there." Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico, which some UFO believers maintain was the site of a UFO crash in 1947. He said residents of his hometown "had been hushed and told not to talk about their experience by military authorities." They had been warned of "dire consequences" if they did so.

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Former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell, says "there really is no doubt we are being visited."

1 posted on 04/20/2009 3:40:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

ping


2 posted on 04/20/2009 3:43:22 PM PDT by unkus
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To: JoeProBono

“”Our destiny, in my opinion, and we might as well get started with it, is [to] become a part of the planetary community. ...”

Oh no, now we have to ‘work with’ an extraterrestrial NATO???


3 posted on 04/20/2009 3:44:52 PM PDT by J40000
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To: J40000
Oh no, now we have to ‘work with’ an extraterrestrial NATO???

The ammunition and equipment standardization process should be interesting. We might be getting a significant upgrade. :-)

4 posted on 04/20/2009 3:47:16 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: J40000

It might not be so bad. What’s their policy on phaser control?


5 posted on 04/20/2009 3:47:18 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: J40000

cosmic community organizer Yuck


6 posted on 04/20/2009 3:51:29 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: JoeProBono

Beam me up Scotty!


7 posted on 04/20/2009 3:53:30 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: JoeProBono
no doubt we are being visited

What's this "we" $?i+ , Edgar?

8 posted on 04/20/2009 3:57:36 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

Was this guy hit hard by a cosmic ray gun?


9 posted on 04/20/2009 4:02:01 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: JoeProBono

I guess when you get hit in the head by a 40lb. moon rock, it doesn’t FEEL like a 40lb. moon rock... But the effects of it still happen.


10 posted on 04/20/2009 4:05:03 PM PDT by J40000
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To: J40000; Riley; stevio; NicknamedBob

Planetary NATO?
Arms standardization?
Will my literary story mechanism of the teleFRAG come to be?
Only time will tell.
*chuckle*

NNB, ping to story short inspiration fodder.


11 posted on 04/20/2009 4:06:29 PM PDT by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: JoeProBono

While I agree that man is probably not alone in the universe, I don’t think it matters.

To start with, let’s just forget the idea of “universe” right now, and think “Milky Way galaxy”, because the distance between galaxies is truly staggering. Whereas the distance to the next habitable planet might be a mere 200 to 400 light years away.

Let’s ponder that, in turn. If something is only 1 light year away, traveling at the speed of light, that is, if you can travel only at half the speed of light, it is 2 years away. A 10th the speed of light, 10 years away, etc.

Our fastest spaceship would reach the star closest to us, Proxima Centauri, which is 4.2 light years away, in about 74,000 years. That’s at the blindingly slow speed of 38,000 miles per hour.

But that is just distance. Our other problem is time.

The Milky Way galaxy is about 13 billion years old. Earth is only about 4.5 billion years old. Life on Earth is much younger, and intelligent life perhaps only 100,000 years old. Any ability for us to communicate outside of our world is about 150 years.

150 years, or even 100,000 years, out of 13 billion years, in windows of time of which millions of civilizations could have existed for millions of years, yet not at the same time as us.

And not all parts of the Milky Way are equal. Entire sectors of the Milky Way have been sterilized by cosmic events. Which could have eradicated life on millions of worlds.

So what about alien visitations? Well, if they can travel much faster than light, can figure out which planets sustain life, and which ones have intelligent life, and done it when the human species existed and could recognize them as aliens, then good for them.


12 posted on 04/20/2009 4:06:47 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: JoeProBono

Undoubtedly, we are being visited because this planet is the greatest source of comedy this side of the galaxy.

And since Obambi was elected, I am sure they are right.


13 posted on 04/20/2009 4:07:53 PM PDT by Ronin (Moderate Taliban? Oxymoron. Obama voters? Plain morons.)
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To: JoeProBono

Edgar Mitchell has been saying this for several years. It isn’t news.


14 posted on 04/20/2009 4:11:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: JoeProBono; Quix; DCPatriot; All

BTTT ping.


15 posted on 04/20/2009 4:12:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thx


16 posted on 04/20/2009 4:29:32 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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Apollo astronaut demands release of "Saucer Secrets" 04/19/09

ASHINGTON, DC -- April 19, 2009 -- Retired navy captain and Apollo XIV astronaut Edgar Mitchell today called for the U. S. government to disclose to its citizens and other Earthlings what he asserts are the realities of long-standing extraterrestrial visitations and interactions with our planet.

He also acknowledged that the UFO field has often been the target of disinformation and intentional misinformation seedings throughout the years, some perhaps for legitimate national security reasons having to do with terrestrial aerospace research and development. But Mitchell's stance on NASA-centered conspiracy theories about "ET UFO" remained firm in the face of questions.

"It was not mentioned during my career," he said, adding that he and his fellow spacefarers saw no evidence of space visitors on the back side of the Moon, another long-standing tale among the more cult-like cohorts of UFO faithful.

Mitchell said decades of "UFO disclosure" revelations, drawn principally from elderly military and nonmilitary folks claiming bits and pieces of the larger puzzle about what they believe really happened at Roswell, NM in 1947, helped shape his belief that the event actually took place and was not, as the US Air Force claimed, a crash-test balloon.

He cited what he described as the credibility of the witnesses and the coherence of their stories as influencing his belief in the reality of the ET scenario attendant to the Roswell event, which stems from a 1947 cover-story released in July of that year after a crash of some unspecified aircraft not far from Roswell Army Airfield (AAF).

The next day the initial "recovered flying saucer" cover story issued by Roswell AAF public affairs staffers was countermanded by a senior Army Air Force commander, who said a "weather balloon" was what had crashed, pieces of which had been recovered.

The story died for three decades until being resurrected in the early 1980s, eventually prompting a 1994 U. S. Air Force revision of their "official story," contending that the Roswell crash was of a "Mogul" project balloon of the type used for atmospheric monitoring to detect possible Soviet nuclear weapons tests.

A subsequent version of the Air Force story was that the alleged "recovered alien bodies" endemic to some Roswell crashed saucer tales were, in reality, "crash test dummies" used for testing experimental high-altitude equipment for the U. S.'s growing strategic bomber forces.

As is well known to worldwide "UFO" enthusiasts, the Air Force's efforts to defuse the Roswell story were in vain, and a host of alternative scenarios have persisted.

These range from "ET crashed saucer recovery" to speculations that the event being camouflaged was human experimentation on unwitting subjects, in contravention of the then-recently adopted Nuremberg Protocols governing medical experimentation on humans following disclosure of Nazi concentration camp Holocaust horrors.

Mitchell is among many former military officials and large numbers of US and world citizens who scoff at the Air Force "clarifications," citing what he says are the credibility of the witnesses and the coherence and consistency of their recollections, in his opinion, that an extraterrestrial craft indeed crashed and the event covered up for six decades.

"What more do you need?" Mitchell declared, asserting that the Air Force's balloon stories are transparently false.

Ironically, the future astronaut grew up in Roswell, NM, where his family had a ranch not far from the alleged crashed saucer site, although Mitchell said that at the time it happened, he had no firsthand experience or knowledge about it.

But other space related research was going on at Roswell during Mitchell's youth, as rocket pioneer Robert Goddard had moved his research and testing program to Roswell in the 1930s and launched numerous experimental rockets. The youthful future astronaut was captivated by Goddard's efforts, which captured his imagination about possible travel away from Earth and to the stars.

Mitchell also related that in 1945 he and his family's neighbors witnessed the bright, white flash over the horizon which signaled the advent of the atomic age with testing of the first nuclear weapon at the Trinity site. Mitchell said the bomb influenced him significantly when he later learned what it was and, much later, better understood its implications.

Mitchell said he believes the nuclear explosion also may have attracted the extraterrestrial presence he believes resulted in the alleged ET aircraft collision which UFO researchers have claimed for three decades happened near Roswell, which is situated not far from where the nation's first nuclear weapon was detonated.

"I have a sneaking suspicion that the reason for Roswell (as the alleged ET aircraft crash is euphemistically termed) was that the UFO phenomenon was drawn to our nuclear sites," Mitchell told the gathering. He said he is concerned about the tendencies of terrestrial governments and their militaries to stake claims and perhaps fly weapons in space, a concern Mitchell believes may be shared by the intervening extraterrestrials.

Mitchell said that many years ago, after leaving NASA, he authored a manuscript advocating against militarization of space attendant to nationalistic colonization of the high frontier for military advantage or benefits other than for all of humankind.

"I submitted it to thirty-four publishers, and all refused to publish it," Mitchell said.

He told the X-Conference that his coming forward so unequivocally at this time reflects his concerns about the direction our planet is heading and his belief that wider public awareness that "we are not alone" will precipitate a healthier consideration of Earth's future.

Mitchell is slated to appear at the National Press Club tomorrow morning (Monday, April 20, 10 a.m.) to amplify his encouragement of the Obama administration to compel disclosure of what the U. S. government may know about the extraterrestrial interactions with humanity the astronaut said he believes have been happening and remain ongoing.

Cape Cod Today is planning to cover that press conference.

And as for the Cape Cod connection? The late Harvard psychiatrist Dr. John E. Mack, a former summer Cape dweller who studied and wrote about purported "ET alien abductions" in the early 1990s, and long-standing "ET abduction" researcher (and Provincetown resident) Budd Hopkins, a New York modern artist who has studied the phenomenon since his own "UFO" sighting in 1964, met each other at the Cape. They were introduced by a mutual friend, Dr. Robert Jay Lifton, the acclaimed psychiatrist and author, also at Harvard, who lives on the Cape.

Speaking this morning at "X-Conference 2009" in Gaithersburg, MD, a suburb of the nation's capital, Mitchell told several hundred attendees and a phalanx of video cameras that, with our planet confronting population pressures and critical questions of environmental and energy sustainability, the need for disclosure about extraterrestrial involvement with Earth is critical.

Mitchell contends that the dispersal of knowledge about what he believes to be the end of Earth's apparent quarantine from other civilizations, and advancement of planetary culture beyond its present fragmentation and incoherence, are desirable results of the widest public release of information about the extraterrestrial presence he believes is real.

See and listen to a recent interview Edgar Mitchell, an Apollo 14 astronaut and moonwalker, says his belief in UFOs and aliens being real is nothing new -- contrary to what tabloid reports might imply. Credit: NASA.

The conference, organized by long-time "UFO Disclosure" activist and one-time Maryland congressional candidate Stephen Bassett, centers on an emergent field of cultural reconsideration its advocates term "Exopolitics." Basset's nonprofit Paradigm Research Group has mounted a decade-long broad spectrum campaign advocating disclosure of what he says are unwarranted secrets about "UFOs" and "ETs" held over as unnecessary "Cold War paranoia."

Questions of "What do we do and say after we say 'Hello!' to ET?" remain distant from wider public consideration, let alone consensus about their implications for national sovereignty, religious traditions and global policy formulation, discussions about which conference organizers and presenters are intent on provoking.

Mitchell, Bassett and other "ET disclosure" activists are banking on President Barack Obama's repeated assurances that government agencies withholding information from US citizens are "on notice," in the President's words, that an era of unnecessary secrecy is over.

Obama has said his administration's tendency will be to unlock what he and senior officials consider information rightfully belonging to the public, while recognizing constraints required for national security, a presidential promise replayed on video at the conference to sustained applause by hopeful disclosure advocates.

"We live in challenging, magnificent times," Mitchell said, emphasizing that, in his opinion, information that we are not alone in the universe -- and indeed, he said, that we here on Earth are having ongoing interactions with nonterrestrial beings -- may provide a key to consciousness changes he and his colleagues believe are necessary. Mitchell said he believes such changes are essential for Earth to make progress through problems confronting humanity's competing needs, religious imperatives and cultural fragmentation. His efforts since leaving NASA and the space program have been focused on exploring frontiers "of the mind, body and spirit," he said. Mitchell acknowledged that, before humanity can travel with practicality much beyond our own solar system, solutions to Einsteinian limitations to faster-than-light propulsion of our spacecraft must still be solved, a frontier the aging astronaut said he believes science eventually will do. But he stressed that our own limitations have not limited the extraterrestials he asserts are present on Earth. "The aliens have done it!" Mitchell said of an apparent ability to traverse what to us are insurmountable distances. He contends that as a result of wider public awareness of the ET presence, revisitation of much phenomenology catalogued in human history should precipitate revision of how we understand planetary history in light of what he believes are long-standing extraterrestrial interactions on Earth.

The astronaut, who told Cape Cod Today he was raised in a strict Baptist household, said reevaluations of source phenomena that led to Earth's major faiths, and which he said foster divisions among humans, might be another of the beneficial results of wider awareness of what Mitchell believes is the historical and ongoing "ET" presence and their asserted involvements in human development.

Mitchell and his fellow explorers of what he has called the "Frontiers of Consciousness" have long contended that broader public awareness of the extraterrestrial presence and interactions the astronaut-scientist believes are reality could help promote a "global mind change."

Mitchell and colleagues assert this could point us toward "planetary transformation," helping Earth's culture to mature sufficiently to gain entry into a wider community of civilizations for which they believe abundant evidence exists, now and throughout history, when viewed through a filter in which the claimed extraterrestrial presence is considered.

Taking questions following his presentation, Mitchell told Cape Cod Today that his beliefs as expressed this morning about extraterrestrial involvements with humanity on Earth are drawn from information generally available to those who study the field of alleged "ET-UFO" events and experiences, citing no "secret information" to which he has been privy.

He also contradicted some other presenters at X-Conference 2009, who claimed that Mitchell and the other NASA astronauts were briefed before their space flights about potential encounters with UFOs of an extraterrestrial nature and how to handle or disguise them from the public. He said unequivocally that this did not occur.

In a previous private interview with Cape Cod Today, Mitchell also expressed skepticism about some of the more popular "UFO conspiracy lore," i.e., stories that NASA astronauts did not really visit the moon or that the space agency has been covering up satellite photographs of Mars purportedly showing evidence of past civilizations.

"We had no briefings on UFOs during our astronaut training," Mitchell told the conference, suggesting that "human nature" tends to embellish and distort things about which there is insufficient information or which embody concepts disruptive of our respective world views.

17 posted on 04/20/2009 4:36:53 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

Pinging the full list: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2233769/posts?page=17#17


18 posted on 04/20/2009 4:42:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: JoeProBono

All I can say is “Prove it”. Until he can, it is just guesswork.

Someone has to be first in the Galaxy, until someone else comes along, we’re it.


19 posted on 04/20/2009 4:51:41 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Quix

. . . and Ed’s evidence is . . . ?

Seems to me to be just another ‘expert’ spouting off.


20 posted on 04/20/2009 5:01:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: Darksheare

If they really are coming then I’m in favor of meeting them as far away from Earth as possible.

And when I say “meeting them”, I mean meeting them with a powerful fleet.


21 posted on 04/20/2009 5:27:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

22 posted on 04/20/2009 6:07:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: markman46; AntiKev; wastedyears; ALOHA RONNIE; RightWhale; anymouse; Brett66; SunkenCiv; ...
I agree...


23 posted on 04/20/2009 6:09:34 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: JoeProBono

1. I don’t know if he believes what he said about the astronauts and the back side of the moon, or not.

I don’t believe him on that score.

2. He has clearly joined the chorus of folks construing the ET’s as some flavor of saviors of mankind and the planet . . . playing a role the oligarchy must have set him up for and to be applauding his good obedient performance, so far.

Sad that.

3. Nevertheless, I believe he has said SOME true things about the phenomena. Now what is the truth and what is disinformation. Still quite a puzzle, that.


24 posted on 04/20/2009 6:15:02 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

THANKS.


25 posted on 04/20/2009 6:16:04 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Every man’s gotta make a living?


26 posted on 04/20/2009 6:17:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Conan the Librarian

KEEP THAT

DEATH GRIP ON THAT TYPE II ERROR ADDICTION demanding extreme levels of proof.

Not very scientific.
Not very rational.
Not very realistic.
Not very informed.

But it should make for the eventual facial expressions all the more priceless when they occur.

You make it sound like NO LEVEL OF EXPERT TESTIMONY

NO NUMBERS OF EXPERTS TESTIFYING

IS OF THE LEAST VALUE AT ALL.

What a silly notion that is.


27 posted on 04/20/2009 6:18:12 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Oh, I know.

Several thousand experts over 60 years are of

absolutely

0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000% value.

That’s suchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

a rational, realistic perspective.

/sar


28 posted on 04/20/2009 6:18:55 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

Wait until folks see the triple breasted prossie of Eroticon VI.


29 posted on 04/20/2009 6:20:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: J40000
Oh no, now we have to ‘work with’ an extraterrestrial NATO???

Yeah, and before long, Obama will be pushing the agendy of the UP (United Planets) and the rights of the alien.

30 posted on 04/20/2009 6:21:11 PM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: JoeProBono

His pension should leave him sitting plenty pretty enough.


31 posted on 04/20/2009 6:21:22 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

Dude would of had some credibility if he had actually landed on the moon instead of having been driven to a Burbank studio, legendary for having hosted such luminaries as Erroll Flynn, Charlie Chaplin, Gloria Swanson, Pola Negri, Fatty Arbuckle and many others, to film a simulation of a moon landing.


32 posted on 04/20/2009 6:22:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Army Air Corps

33 posted on 04/20/2009 6:23:22 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

:-)


34 posted on 04/20/2009 6:26:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Revolting cat!

35 posted on 04/20/2009 6:27:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Bingo!

At the Suntrade Institute we have always used the analogy of dropping a pebble into a tub of water, sending out its transitory signal (wave disturbance), but with only a remote chance of being intercepted by another dropping pebble while contacting the surface. There may be plenty of wavelets but little interaction in the vast expanse of space-time, considering of course that the lifetime of the subject civilizations is small within that expanse.

There is an existing "Drake" theory of the probability of extraterrestrial life, totally off base, and simply a naive analysis.

On the other hand the psychology of Capt Mitchell, ala:

Mitchell and his fellow explorers of what he has called the "Frontiers of Consciousness" have long contended that broader public awareness of the extraterrestrial presence and interactions the astronaut-scientist believes are reality could help promote a "global mind change."

is extraordinarily revealing about life on Earth. That is, some desperate groping among some for something external, that should (and could) be resolved internally with what we've experienced.

I will bet anything, anything, that Edgar Mitchell, even considering that he is a Navy Capt, voted for Barack Obama. That is the psychology we are dealing with in the USA today. A sick immature nation in our view.

Johnny Suntrade, The Suntrade Institute

36 posted on 04/20/2009 6:34:04 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: JoeProBono; a fool in paradise

37 posted on 04/20/2009 6:55:55 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

38 posted on 04/20/2009 7:01:56 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

39 posted on 04/20/2009 7:02:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; KevinDavis
Thanks for the pings!
Google

40 posted on 04/20/2009 7:11:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Darksheare
"NNB, ping to story short inspiration fodder."

Nah, not believable enough.

41 posted on 04/20/2009 7:14:38 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Panicked at seeing Scarecrow twitching and shaking, Dorothy unplugs the teleprompter. "Uh, um, er .")
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To: Conan the Librarian

“All I can say is “Prove it”. Until he can, it is just guesswork”

Same goes for those crazy Chirstians and their crazy bible.


42 posted on 04/20/2009 7:15:42 PM PDT by freeplancer
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Taking questions following his presentation, Mitchell told Cape Cod Today that his beliefs as expressed this morning about extraterrestrial involvements with humanity on Earth are drawn from information generally available to those who study the field of alleged "ET-UFO" events and experiences, citing no "secret information" to which he has been privy. He also contradicted some other presenters at X-Conference 2009, who claimed that Mitchell and the other NASA astronauts were briefed before their space flights about potential encounters with UFOs of an extraterrestrial nature and how to handle or disguise them from the public. He said unequivocally that this did not occur... "We had no briefings on UFOs during our astronaut training," Mitchell told the conference, suggesting that "human nature" tends to embellish and distort things about which there is insufficient information or which embody concepts disruptive of our respective world views.

43 posted on 04/20/2009 7:20:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Revolting cat!

44 posted on 04/20/2009 7:21:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

45 posted on 04/20/2009 7:22:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Quix

” [But] only in our period do we really have evidence. No, we’re not alone,”

That is a definite statement. He said we have evidence. Where is it? Maybe any type of evidence might be helpful, but, not has come forth yet.

I tend to agree with Stephen Hawking. In his “Universe in a Nutshell” he reasons about this and points out that, due to the extreme needs of an anthropological being (i.e. humans) that, while there may be other planets in the galaxy that supports life, it is very unlikely that intelligent life as we know it has formed anywhere else. Anthropological beings need very special situations to form. He does not make a definite statement yah or nay, just unlikely. I tend to agree with him.

I myself think that God had to start somewhere. And here were are!

As for actual sightings of ‘Flying Saucers’, I stand out in fields for hours every month looking at the sky (I am an amateur astronomer) and have never seen anything that I couldn’t explain by pointing binoculars or a telescope at and seeing what it was.

As for expert testimony, show me a real expert. The closest thing to one around now is Stanton Friedman and I find him less and less creditable as time goes.

I recommend “Universe in a Nutshell” even though it is an older work, Hawking does have a way with a phrase.


46 posted on 04/20/2009 7:27:43 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Quix

Does Mitchell believe in astrology and psychics? That would certainly say a lot about his character.


47 posted on 04/20/2009 7:27:59 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Stop the pirates in Washington D.C.)
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To: freeplancer

No...the Bible is a mater of faith. Life in Space is a mater of science. Extraterrestrials are a matter of Science Fiction or Metaphysics (you can choose which) While you can’t mix apples and oranges, they can be made into fruit salad. As for the E.T.s, not everyone likes nuts in their fruit salad.

Like Hawking said in “Universe in a Nutshell” both science and religion are pursuing the Truth, and, that is a good thing.

Sorry for all the Hawking’s references, but, I just finished reading Nutshell last week and it is still fresh in the mind.


48 posted on 04/20/2009 7:34:41 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: JoeProBono

I would assume this guy knows we don’t have ansible technology (taken from Orson Scott Card).


49 posted on 04/20/2009 8:00:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: BenLurkin
And when I say “meeting them”, I mean meeting them with a powerful fleet.

If ZerØ gets his way, we'll be lucky to take on the Chinese with a powerful fleet.

50 posted on 04/20/2009 8:07:51 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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