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Bought a Colt AR-15 CAR-A3, HBAR Elite and need some help! (Vanity)
Freerepublic ^ | 11/20/08 | Self

Posted on 11/21/2008 6:56:58 PM PST by mmanager

Bought this gun today and am asking the experts what over the counter ammo feeds through this weapon? As stated, the gun is a flat-top with a Simmons scope along with a bi-pod as the only add-on's. The serial number is BK010XXX and I believe this a post-ban weapon, correct?

I have shot competively in the past with .45 auto's and this is my first semi-auto rifle. I believe this dude will drive tack's as I have read. I just would like some overall advise.


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To: P8riot; mmanager
No replacement for range time. See if there are local ranges that hold 3-gun matches. They are normally pretty friendly to the Black Rifle crowd.

If you can afford it, find a range that holds classes on various tactics. Even if you fancy yourself a good shot, you will learn things from a classroom instructor that you won't pick up from the Intarwebs...

61 posted on 11/21/2008 8:58:28 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mmanager
oooo... friday night gun porn. very nice.

you can always turn guns into money, but, will come a day you won't be able to turn money into guns. buy now

62 posted on 11/21/2008 9:01:53 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: mmanager

For the AR, get the 60-65 grain Hornady Tap ammo with the ballistic tips. Good and dependable... Every shot at two hundred meters+ will group in a paper plate.

Just playing and gettin yer ya-yas out, plain old PMC works just fine...


63 posted on 11/21/2008 9:04:56 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: mmanager

I’ve never had any problems with any of mine.


64 posted on 11/21/2008 9:10:54 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: sit-rep; mmanager
For the AR, get the 60-65 grain Hornady Tap ammo with the ballistic tips. Good and dependable...

Second the TAP, good stuff in the 60-65gr range. Also look into the Black Hills' Mk262 Mod1 (77gr), it's extremely good stuff. Very accurate.

65 posted on 11/21/2008 9:16:54 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: paolenz
In CA you can still buy AR Rifles. I have a Stag Model 2 (.223) on order from Lan World in Utah.

The catch? These rifles have to have a fixed magazine, 10 rounds or less, that requires a tool to remove them. Enter the “Bullet Button”, which uses the tip of a bullet (a tool) to change out the mag.

It isn't considered an Assault Weapon, which we all know means “scary looking gun” to a Liberal. They don't even know the difference between Semi Automatic and Full Automatic weapons.

I also own a pre ban Norinco 84S AK-47 variant with a few 30 round clips. It was duly Registered with the CA State Attorney General when they decided I would be made a Felon overnight if I didn't. I plan on selling it, out of state of course, because I am tired of being on “the list”, if you know what I mean.

My America has disappeared from the face of the planet.

66 posted on 11/21/2008 9:25:24 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: All
Thanks everyone that contributed to this thread tonight. Thanks for the links and the insight. This is the greatest place, especially the 2nd amendment FRiends.

I'm going to bed and shoot everyone of those sheep (mountain maggots) as they jump across the fence!Man, I'm going to need more ammo!!

67 posted on 11/21/2008 9:29:14 PM PST by mmanager (It was amazing to watch a 900# Moose drag a 3,000# RINO.)
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To: mmanager

Enjoy

http://www.6mmbr.com/223rem.html


68 posted on 11/21/2008 9:30:33 PM PST by Tigen
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To: Tigen

Thanks this was very helpful.


69 posted on 11/21/2008 9:34:18 PM PST by mmanager (It was amazing to watch a 900# Moose drag a 3,000# RINO.)
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To: tumblindice

Best to check with your gun the ammo you intend to use. Blunt FMJ 45 ACP is pretty common, and so is failure to feed with it. Never had any feed problems with my Colt 45s, blunt FMJ or hollow points.

Sometimes if you explain the problem to a gunsmith, they can polish the feed ramp and cure the problem with any gun.


70 posted on 11/22/2008 2:22:16 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: mmanager
I would assume it is a 223 rem chamber, and therefore commercial 223 rem ammo would be the safest. 556x45 NATO ammo is loaded to a max of 65000 psi, same as 223 rem., the difference is that the pressure testing methods for each are slightly different-223 rem is tested in the chamber itself, while the 556 is tested at the forward portion of the chamber called the throat or leade The 556 pressure if tested as a 223 rem would nominally be higher). Also, headspace (the distance from the bolt face to the reference diameter of the neck, where the cartridge is supported) is longer for the 556, so 223 rem rounds are normally slightly short; excessive headspace can be the cause of case separation and violent expulsion of high temp/high velocity propellant gases-which are quite dangerous to say the least.

All that being said, I always recommend using the exact cartridge the firearm is chambered for. Assume 223 rem. unless you have the chamber measured by a gunsmith to verify its internal dimensions.

God Bless and MOLON LABE

71 posted on 11/22/2008 5:51:55 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

Correction: 556 is 60k psi, 223 is 50k psi-thinking of another similar pair...


72 posted on 11/22/2008 5:55:13 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior; mmanager
The vast majority of genuine Colt AR15s were in fact chambered for the 5.56 to avoid liability issues since the .223 Rem could safely be fired in the 5.56 chamber.

To add to the confusion most were marked .223/5.56

This would indicate either cartridge can be fired. If the barrel is marked only .223 Rem then caution is in order.

Nevertheless it doesn't hurt to check with Colt's customer service.

In the past I've found them to be very helpful.

73 posted on 11/22/2008 6:53:36 AM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: OKSooner
Me too. Sad boating accident on the way to the Sheriff's office.
74 posted on 11/22/2008 6:54:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: mmanager

Military specifications. The magazine you have with your rifle will look distinctive from the garbage some manufactures pass to the unknowing public. Greyish coating with a green follower is what you’re looking for. A good magazine won’t bend if you stress it with your fingers. The floor plate will be made from good quality sheet metal and all the tangs will be tight and smooth.

Look at the base plate for milspec numbers. The Brownell’s site has a decent picture of what you’re looking for.

I don’t care for polymar mags but some swear by them.

AVOID a magazine made by USA magazines at all cost. You can look at them and see what you don’t want.


75 posted on 11/22/2008 7:27:41 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: BreezyDog

My wife said she would divorce me if I got one. She just ended up just going to bed early.

Did she invite you to join her?

76 posted on 11/22/2008 1:57:46 PM PST by matt1234
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To: Dead Corpse
Gentlemen,

There is a lot of bad info on the difference between .223 and 5.56 on this thread. The following is an answer directly from Winchester:

“There are a lot of questions about these two cartridges. Many people think they are identical - merely different designations for commercial and military. The truth is that, although somewhat similar, they are not the same and you should know the differences before buying either cartridge.

The cartridge casings for both calibers have basically the same length and exterior dimensions.
The 5.56 round, loaded to Military Specification, typically has higher velocity and chamber pressure than the .223 Rem.
The 5.56 cartridge case may have thicker walls, and a thicker head, for extra strength. This better contains the higher chamber pressure. However, a thicker case reduces powder capacity, which is of concern to the reloader.

The 5.56mm and .223 Rem chambers are nearly identical. The difference is in the “Leade”. Leade is defined as the portion of the barrel directly in front of the chamber where the rifling has been conically removed to allow room for the seated bullet. It is also more commonly known as the throat. Leade in a .223 Rem chamber is usually .085”. In a 5.56mm chamber the leade is typically .162”, or almost twice as much as in the 223 Rem chamber.

You can fire .223 Rem cartridges in 5.56mm chambers with this longer leade, but you will generally have a slight loss in accuracy and velocity over firing the .223 round in the chamber with the shorter leade it was designed for.

Problems may occur when firing the higher-pressure 5.56mm cartridge in a .223 chamber with its much shorter leade. It is generally known that shortening the leade can dramatically increase chamber pressure. In some cases, this higher pressure could result in primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads and gun functioning issues.

The 5.56mm military cartridge fired in a .223 Rem chamber is considered by SAAMI (Small Arm and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) to be an unsafe ammunition combination.

Before buying either of these two types of ammunition, always check your gun to find what caliber it is chambered for, then buy the appropriate ammunition. Most 5.56mm rounds made have full metal jacket bullets. Performance bullets - soft points, hollow points, Ballistic Silvertips, etc. - are loaded in .223 Rem cartridges. Firing a .223 Rem cartridge in a 5.56mm-chambered gun is safe and merely gives you slightly reduced velocity and accuracy. However we do not recommend, nor does SAAMI recommend, firing a 5.56mm cartridge in a gun chambered for the .223 Rem as the shorter leade can cause pressure-related problems.

Winchester Law Enforcement Ammunition

East Alton Illinois”

Dead, Any rifle that “goes nuclear on you” over a “couple thousand CUPS” should be destroyed immediately as it is UNSAFE. Since a proof load for .223 is 78,000 PSI and the SAAMI spec load is 55,000 PSI, your assertion that a “couple thousand CUPS” will go “nuclear on you” is NOT true and should NOT be repeated. There is often a pressure differential in the same cartridge greater than "a couple thousand CUP" due to temperature influences.

Please don't guess at critical firearms info. Providing bad information to people that put their faces mere inches from a vessel containing these types of pressures could kill someone. Instead look it up! It took me all of 5 minutes to find and provide the information I posted.

Hope this helps

77 posted on 11/22/2008 6:36:39 PM PST by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: P8riot; Dead Corpse

See what you started Dead,

the problem has NOTHING to do with the thickness of the barrel. Please see the post above for the correct information.


78 posted on 11/22/2008 6:42:19 PM PST by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: Kickass Conservative

Under the Roberti-Roos assault weapons law, AR15 series from different manufacturers are already banned in CA. It so happens that Stag and a host of others are not yet on the list, but most of the other famous manufacturer are on it. We are just waiting from the CA DOJ to include more manufacturers to the list. Second, you cannot have the following features on any AR15:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A flash suppressor.
(E) A forward pistol grip.

I have LMT A4 uppers but no lower receivers.


79 posted on 11/22/2008 7:04:00 PM PST by paolenz
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To: paolenz
If I am not mistaken, those features are banned on Rifles without “FIXED MAGAZINES”. The magazine must require a TOOL to be removed from the Rifle.

Didn't there used to be a Constitutional Amendment that protected us from being disarmed by the Gubmint?

Now the only thing that will protect us is a good weapon, plenty of ammo and the willingness to fight for our God Given Liberty.

80 posted on 11/22/2008 7:56:04 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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