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I Am An Idiot Freeper and I Believe the Media Lies
October 12 2008 | jveritas

Posted on 10/12/2008 8:07:27 AM PDT by jveritas

It is very sad the number of people on this forum who fell for the lies of the liberal media and consider it as the golden truth. They believe their biased polls, they believe all the fabricated doom and gloom scenarios that the media unleash each minute, they now believe the lies that McCain is fighting with Palin over the style of campaigning, they believe that is all over and we cannot win.

Yet those are the same people who make fun for what they like to call “sheeple” and say that they are controlled by the media but in reality they are worse than any “sheeple” because they fall for all the lies and fabrication that the media spew constantly.

They are the one who lecture Republicans to get a spine or balls or whatever macho word they like to use in each comment they post but yet they have already surrendered and declared all is lost and we cannot win.

For the vast majority of us Freepers we are going to fight and we are going to win and will never believe the lies and fabrications of the media.


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To: chippewaman
This West Virginia polls has 55% democrats and 35% Republicans. The pollsters now have zero concern about their reputation. It is totally insane.
51 posted on 10/12/2008 8:29:58 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: SouthTexas

Great post.


52 posted on 10/12/2008 8:30:25 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: jveritas

I could not agree more. The polls are so misleading that I can’t imaging putting any faith at all in them. They oversample both blacks and democRAT voters. Can you imagine how far ahead even a lame candidate like McCain would be if the media wasn’t carrying his water?


53 posted on 10/12/2008 8:30:53 AM PDT by SPOTTEDOWL (Are frontal lobotomies prerequisite for being classified as a liberal?)
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To: jveritas

I believe the media is group thinking incompetent.


54 posted on 10/12/2008 8:31:56 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: Theodore R.

Maybe so, but we sure as hell can.


55 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:04 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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To: jveritas

I totally agree with this post.

Let me try and explain why so many of the people on this forum are affected by the lies of the MSM. For one, it directly affects our moral. And if the media report something we know is not true we understand that there are millions out there who will believe it. And if our moral is affected by these lies for a variety of reasons. How do you think those people out there who believe these lies feel?

I’ve noticed how the media try and create narratives. For instance, the angry white McCain supporter.

You’ve heard the reports of people at McCain rallies calling Obama a “terrorist” and saying “off with their heads.”

First, how do we know these are McCain supporters and not Obama plants. And second, how do we know, if true, at the same thing doesn’t happen at Obama rallies?

It only takes one reporter to overhear someone say something they find newsworthy. It does not have to have any substance or context if that one statement can be used in a narrative the media constructs if that statement or word is useful to them.

So you have millions of McCain supporters hear over and over again on television and in print that his rallies are producing angry white supporters who hate Obama.

How demoralizing is it to have McCain himself come out and say calm down? Basically accepting the medias narrative of his supporters being angry white Obama haters.

And then you have people like Bill Kristol on television agreeing with the media along with McCain.

If you were to design a flow chart of McCain’s message and the press’s reporting on that message. You’d see a direct correlation of one to the other. That being McCain’s message tends to piggy back on what the media thinks of his message. The same media who are trying to destroy him mind you.

So you see, McCain tailors his message to what, the very same press that hates him and wants him to loose, wants.

If the press was reporting on how respectful a campaign McCain was running you’d know he was loosing.

It’s always fascinated to me when the very same people who are against John McCain and want him to loose give him advise as if they are looking out for his best interest.

If the things he’s doing are so bad for his chances of winning, and will hurt him come election day. Why would they tell him? Shouldn’t they just shut up and let him self destruct?

That’s the question you need to ask.


56 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:18 AM PDT by coffee260 (coffee)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Excellent quote from a great man.


57 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:32 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: jveritas

As was yours.


58 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:40 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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To: Scutter
"These companies have every reason to make the polls as accurate as they can be; if they are consistently less accurate than their competitors, they lose business."

I have a different take on this. These poll companies are supplying their customers with exactly what their customers want. Their customers (the media) obviously are not concerned about accuracy (remember the Dan Rather "fake but accurate" mantra). They are concerned with putting a pro Democrat slant to all news.

So with this logic, these companies are giving them exactly what they want.

59 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:47 AM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: FocusNexus

They may be entirely wrong in their predictions, but the point is that the pollsters are trying to get it right. If they are just choosing algorithms based on bias, they will be consistently wrong, and over time they will lose business. It’s a market-driven situation. To deny the polls by saying they are biased is to deny reality. Denying reality is never a good thing. We need to wake up and figure out how to win, or at a minimum prepare for the bad times.


60 posted on 10/12/2008 8:32:56 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: jveritas

Right on the money jveritas. Lately its been a wailing pantywaist jamboree around FR, what a bunch of sissified surrender monkeys, Tokyo Rose, aka the MSM, has them wrapped completely around her finger.


61 posted on 10/12/2008 8:34:05 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: jveritas
More than 70% of the people do not believe the media.

I know that most people don't believe the media. The problem is that the media is where most people go to for news. I give people credit for realizing that the media is full of liars and propagandists yet where do they go from there. They may not believe what the media tells them but that doesn't take away from the fact they are still not hearing the truth. If they were hearing the truth you can be sure that Obama would be so far behind in the polls right now that a 50 state sweep for McCain would not be that far fetched.

62 posted on 10/12/2008 8:34:13 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Bob Mc

I considered that theory as well, but if that were the case they’d all be commissioning “registered voter” polls. It also doesn’t explain the polls that Fox News is showing, which also show Obama in the lead.


63 posted on 10/12/2008 8:34:37 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: Scutter
However, to say that the "likely voter" polls are deliberately biased is to say that capitalism doesn't work.

Unfortunately, once a company becomes infested with liberal influences, capitalism gets thrown out the window sometimes. Look at the newspapers, hollywood movies, television - look everywhere - readership/viewership is down, but they insist on churning out their leftist hogwash. They don't care to take a hit for the cause.

I'm not saying all are like this, but I think we all know some that are. To these types - the message is more important than the money. Just like our institutions such as schools & churches - liberals are infiltrating everywhere they can make a difference. We could really stand to emulate them, I think.

64 posted on 10/12/2008 8:34:55 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: jveritas
1. Acorn / DemonRat Voter Fraud - endemic to all 50 states. Watching the dead vote is so much fun,...again and again, and again

2. Blacks / Vote 97% DemonRat apparently because they enjoy living on the DemonRat plantation.

3. 20,000,000 plus illegal aliens / 100% DemonRat voters with soaring birthrate and more illegals crossing the border as we speak.

4. Communists / See the election of Obama as the first major step towards Socialism, eventually leading to a Communist takeover.

5. Feminists, Environmentalist Wackos, Homos, Abortionists, NOW, Pro-Choice, College Morons, Drug Addicts, Code Pink, Anti-Military, Anti-War, Peaceniks, Terrorists, Pacificsts, Chicago Political Machine Street Organizer THUGS,...all vote DemonRat.

6. Liberal DemonRats, Moderate DemonRats, RINO's, Socialists.

7. Drive-by Media, in tank for Obama, will NOT allow McCain to win, will stop him at ANY cost!

8. George Soros.

9. Foreign Terrorists Countries that want to see Obama win.

10. Foreign illegal monies to Obama.

11. Hispanics hoping to see the Califonication of America / love welfare.

12. The final straw...Bob Dole the 2nd!

Forget it. We lost, and you will never see a Republican administration or President in your lifetime.

65 posted on 10/12/2008 8:36:13 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: jveritas

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.


66 posted on 10/12/2008 8:37:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: HerrBlucher

Yes it has gotten really bad with the surrender type freepers.


67 posted on 10/12/2008 8:37:40 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: jveritas

And most of those West Virginia Democrats are socially conserative (Blue Dog Democrats), like Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia. This state went something like 66% to 33% for Hillary in the primary. Some counties were 88% to 10% against Obama. I wouldn’t call it a blue state without Hillary at the top of the ticket. The state went for Bush twice. McCain should win the state by at least 5% or more. I would be surprised if it were any closer.


68 posted on 10/12/2008 8:37:48 AM PDT by chippewaman
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To: alicewonders
Exactly correct. Liberals do not care about reputation or even making money. They want power above everything else.
69 posted on 10/12/2008 8:39:14 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: jveritas
Well, I was with you.

But, this morning I listened as David Axelrod explained everything to me.

And, as I gazed into his soft, warm, eyes I came to the realization that my failure to condemn those harboring angst about the Messiah is the same thing as what Bull Conner did.

70 posted on 10/12/2008 8:39:32 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: jveritas
This West Virginia polls has 55% democrats and 35% Republicans. The pollsters now have zero concern about their reputation. It is totally insane.

While I don't believe any poll in WV, having seen conservative candidates get more than twice as many votes as media polls there said they would, the fact is that West Virginia, as of this spring, had 665,234 registered Democrats, 347,760 registered Republicans, and 156,199 registered independents.

71 posted on 10/12/2008 8:41:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell us again why you thought the "lesser of two evils" would lead you somewhere other than to hell?)
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To: Bob Mc
100% correct. We have seen the same crap in 2000 and 2004 but this time they really went too far.
72 posted on 10/12/2008 8:41:52 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: sergeantdave
The Ron Paul Cult I consider the weakest link here at Free Republic.

They have sided with Obama on the Iraq war and turned their backs on our troops.

Members of their campaign held hands with Cindy Sheehan

Their cult accepted money from the George Soros foundation

Last but not least

They believe in legalizing drugs that contribute to the dumbing down of America. As if America isn't already dumbed down enough by the MSM?

73 posted on 10/12/2008 8:42:28 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Cedric

LOL... good one :)


74 posted on 10/12/2008 8:42:51 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: frankiep

The problem isn’t that freepers believe the media lies. We know that they are full of crap. The problem is that people who don’t follow political issues very closely, namely the great majority of undecided voters who will decide this election, get all of their news from the liars.


That’s what bothers me too. I email out Obama “damaging videos” and none of this picks up ANY traction anywhere else (not even FOX),and I wonder how much of a fool some think I am because of this. However, I don’t care what they think at the same time. Something will have to stick.
It’s just ridiculous that we have evidence of this fool with Domestic terror and Foreign Thugs, and the media is worried about a stupid cop and a taser gun.

I think no matter WHAT happens in this election there needs to be a STRONG movement to attack this media once and for all. The first part of taking this country back will be taking down the “MSM”.


75 posted on 10/12/2008 8:43:07 AM PDT by CommieCutter (I'm voting for Sarah.......and that other guy.)
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To: april15Bendovr
Hi Chris

That is exactly right.

76 posted on 10/12/2008 8:43:45 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: EternalVigilance

West Virginia is a heavily democrat state (think Byrd & Rockefeller) - but they love their guns more than they love the Obama ticket. They are more conservative democrats.


77 posted on 10/12/2008 8:44:00 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: alicewonders

Yep. If it wasn’t for them, Al Gore would have been President. That’s a fact.


78 posted on 10/12/2008 8:45:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell us again why you thought the "lesser of two evils" would lead you somewhere other than to hell?)
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To: jveritas

Joseph I am ready to go knock o some doors


79 posted on 10/12/2008 8:45:34 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Scutter
Denying reality is never a good thing.

Now, that's funny. They poll 1,000 people with methods we cannot even understand and tell us that's how 100 million voters will vote three weeks from now.

Here's a reality check for you.

People lie. People change their minds. The samples can easily be skewed. The people answering the polls are the ones answering the phone. A majority of hard-working people don't sit around at home waiting for the phone to ring from a pollster. A hell of a lot of people don't even have a home phone anymore.

Here's a dose of reality for you.

A hell of a lot of people registered do not vote.

Who is a likely voter and how likely are they to vote?

The election is on November 4, 2008 and NOT ONE DAY BEFORE.

Sun Tzu in his Art of War said if you defeat the enemy general in his mind, you may not even have to fight his army.

A lot of this Democrat propaganda is nothing but a mind f***.

Patriots don't allow a mind f*** to destroy their courage and prevent them from fighting a fight that MUST be won ON THE DAY APPOINTED FOR BATTLE.

80 posted on 10/12/2008 8:46:20 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: jveritas
I have viewed the Media as communists for at least the last 30 years a propaganda tool ever since they got the signal from Brezhnev[Sp] with the pounding of the shoe [we will take America over without firing a shot ] code speak for every communist to go to work in schools colleges and newsrooms all across the US to start the great propaganda machine !

The Polls like comatose eyes are fixed and dilated on one thing Destroying our country and our way of life our so called Representatives have created just the lazy society they wanted in order to control those who think just being born American is enough to make them entitled to a share of freebies for a lifetime without ever having to lift a finger to do a legitimate days work in their lives..

fighting is all we have left the simple task of voting to change our future and the future of our children is being stolen by those same communist fair-do-wells who not only represent us but who aspire to be rulers of a new society filled with middle class slaves to greedy ambition of the haves and have nots creating programs to keep the poor supposedly in their place and to keep the rich abundantly richer while us middle class folks do the actual work in this country to keep both the poor and the rich propped up on their prospective pedestals

What would happen to both classes if the middle class just decided to stop providing and just started whining the the like rest ?

I'm with you all the way I'm tired of looking at both of these candidates and seeing / hearing the same thing explained in two different manners to the same Objective Socialism/Communism these principles do not mix with freedom they make it a vast expanse far and unreachable from the common man !

81 posted on 10/12/2008 8:46:23 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drag The Waters some more like never before !)
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To: CommieCutter

The FOX news channel is not the friend to conservatives that I once thought they were. They have disappointed me alot in the last few years, I can hardly stand to watch it.


82 posted on 10/12/2008 8:46:35 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: jveritas

The ones who have older sign up dates it isn’t that easy.

But FReeper’s need to beware of this issue and keep alert.


83 posted on 10/12/2008 8:47:17 AM PDT by stockpirate (Congress just created the right to own slaves, we're the slaves. To arms the Marxist are here!)
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To: jveritas

I concur 110%. I love my country more is WHY McCain will get my vote.


84 posted on 10/12/2008 8:49:04 AM PDT by Rapunzel (Never forget Fallujah..S. Helvenston RIP.....Sarah...Sarah...Sarah loves America)
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To: jveritas
Joseph Here is a hint for the media
85 posted on 10/12/2008 8:49:37 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas
Many people here do not understand the difference between the mainstream media polls and the "internal" polling commissioned by a campaign.

Unlike those internal polls, the mainstream polls have an agenda, which is to sway the populace to a desired outcome. I do not think any reasonable person could argue that the mainstream media has a liberal bias and would like to see the Democratic ticket win in any presidential campaign.

Therefore, the mainstream polling will reflect that. Methodologies will be adjusted to achieve the desired outcome. If registered voters need to be chosen over likely voters to better reflect the desired outcome, it will happen. If Democrats need to be oversampled to achieve the desired outcome, so be it.

In this manner, the MSM hopes to "shift" most of the undecided in their favor. They understand that many of the undecided want to "vote for the winner" so they make sure that their guy is seen as a winner so that they can hopefully make their wish a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now these polling companies do need to have some credibility so that they can be taken seriously in the next election cycle. So in the days leading up to Election Day, you always see a "surge" with the GOP candidate. But that surge is manufactured. It is simply a function of the MSM polls adjusting their methodologies to reflect the true state of the race. As I said before, the MSM is hoping that they shifted enough votes over to their side with the earlier skewed polls to make the difference.

So when the mainstream media see conservatives getting angry over the polls, they are literally squealing with delight. For not only are they shifting votes their way but they are angering conservatives so much that many of them might just throw in the towel and stay home on Election Day, thinking that their cause is lost.

On the other hand, the "internal" polling is reflecting the true state of the race. It is vital for a candidate to have accurate polls because those polls will determine where they spend their limited resources and where they spend those resources will make all the difference whether they can win or not.

So I have always stated that if you want to know what a candidate's internal polls are saying, look at where the candidate is campaigning. Recently, McCain and Palin have been campaigning in places like Minnesota and Wisconsin where the MSM have already determined that Obama has it wrapped up.

In conclusion, hasn't anybody ever wondered why a national presidential campaign would need to spend money on "internal" polling? It is because they know that the MSM polls are not accurate. Otherwise, they wouldn't need internal polling at all because the MSM is hitting us with polling data every single day. The only problem is, none of it is accurate so the candidates need to do their own polling to see where things really stand.

86 posted on 10/12/2008 8:50:10 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 63 days away from outliving Sam Sheppard)
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To: jveritas

Obama is a fraud and a criminal. McCain/Palin by 53%


87 posted on 10/12/2008 8:50:14 AM PDT by avacado (Barack Obama, the Cloward-Piven candidate)
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To: stockpirate
And I've been around since 1999 as a member and I am not a troll.

This election cycle has brought me out of lurking status due to the serious consequences of this election.

88 posted on 10/12/2008 8:53:59 AM PDT by Rapunzel (Never forget Fallujah..S. Helvenston RIP.....Sarah...Sarah...Sarah loves America)
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To: Reagan Man

Yes, another day, another vanity. It is beginning to appear that anyone on FR that is not relentlessly cheerleading for McCain is considered a defeatist or whiner or loser or any other number of choice names. Sad really.


89 posted on 10/12/2008 8:54:13 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: jveritas

“I believe the media lies” has two meanings.

1. I belive the media DOES LIE or
2. The media lies, AND I believe their lies

McCain sometimes is sending out messages of having thrown in the towel. When people see all this reaching across and niceness they start to feel it symbolically. The “campaign” provides insight as to the type of leader a person might be. Similar to the mixed message phrase “I believe the media lies” he is sending out mixed messages when he praises Obama and has mentioned having Cuomo, Gore, Buffet in his cabinet and floated Lieberman as VP choice. Either he is just saying this and is insincere, or he means it and YIKES. Has he mentioned any conservatives or Republicans he would include?


90 posted on 10/12/2008 8:54:30 AM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Swiss

Your neighbors may be like mine. They intend on voting for the illegal alien, loving Juan but will be damned if they’ll advertise because they aren’t proud of it.


91 posted on 10/12/2008 8:55:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: jveritas

Outstanding post, right on the mark!!


92 posted on 10/12/2008 8:55:20 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jveritas
It is very sad the number of people on this forum who fell for the lies of the liberal media and consider it as the golden truth.

Sad, but not surprising. We are subjected to the liberal media 24/7, even on FR most of the articles are from the liberal media. Some of it is bound to rub off.

93 posted on 10/12/2008 8:55:55 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: jazusamo

Thank you Jaz.


94 posted on 10/12/2008 8:56:14 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: Scutter

“It’s a market-driven situation.”

No it’s not. It’s political and agenda driven.

If newspapers were in the business to please the market, you would see fair reporting. You would see editors and managers trying to attract conservative consumers. You don’t. The media is the one business where it’s consumer be damned.

Need proof? Check out the advertising revenue, look at the viewership and circulation numbers. The propaganda press is bleeding money and readership all over America.

The political polsters are connected to the hip with the Marxist media. They are as biased as the media. Where do you think they make their money? From the left wing press.

Nobody in their right mind goes to Rasmussen or Gallup for marketing or business research. That’s because they’re political entities. Paid for by the left wing press.

And if these polling companies are “market-driven” as you claim, why isn’t the McCain campaign using them for its polling data?


95 posted on 10/12/2008 8:57:07 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: jveritas
Say, "Amen." If we all end up against the wall with a broken beer bottle, I'll be happy to go down with the ship then, trusting in the God and friend of Abraham. The coward dies a thousand deaths... Once is enough for me.
96 posted on 10/12/2008 8:57:28 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: avacado

Yes, I expected somehwere from 51% to 53% for McCain/Palin.


97 posted on 10/12/2008 8:58:14 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: Rapunzel
I love my country more is WHY McCain will get my vote.

Amen FRiend.

98 posted on 10/12/2008 8:59:02 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: Swiss
Swiss said: "I didn’t see any McCain signs."

Except your own? Or are you discouraged by your own lack of a political sign?

I don't have a sign up yet because I am going to wait until I can guard it so as to identify anybody who dares deface it. Somebody came onto my property in 2004 and defaced my sign. It's not going to happen again without consequences for the thugs.

99 posted on 10/12/2008 8:59:54 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: jveritas

As a long time FReeper I’m having a really hard time swallowing all the bilge coming out of Washington.

The dems CAUSED the economic meltdown and the Republicans are whimpering in a corner sucking their thumbs instead of shouting this from the rooftops - REGARDLES OF MSM SPIN!!!

I turned on Georgie’s show (ABC) and here’s Bawny Fwank. I couldn’t bear listening to one word of the crap he spews! Bawny IS the problem. He and his sorry ilk CAUSED this meltdown - forcing lenders to make shaky loans to people who didn’t qualify for credit.

They must have trouble walking with those amazing _____s hanging. I’m FED UP with all the dog and pony shows. FED UP waiting for the system to correct. FED UP with Republicans making sweet talk while Obama, Inc, preen and strut. I’m FED UP with the “system” and ignorant voters. IMO this country is gone if Obama wins this election. GONE.

I WANT A WAR. AN IDEALISTIC WAR OF RIGHT VS WRONG! I WANT US TO WIN BEFORE OUR BELOVED COUNTRY TURNS INTO A SWIRLING PIT OF LEECHES, SUCKING THE PRODUCERS DRY.

America should have a law: You must pass an IQ test before you can vote. And ANYONE getting government aid is banned from the ballot box. PERIOD.

“Who is John Galt?”


100 posted on 10/12/2008 9:02:17 AM PDT by Humidston
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