Acorn= Fannie Mae, Sallie Mae & Freddie Mac= buyout of sub prime loans= Democrats= largest financial disaster since the great depression.
Posted on 10/12/2008 8:07:27 AM PDT by jveritas
It is very sad the number of people on this forum who fell for the lies of the liberal media and consider it as the golden truth. They believe their biased polls, they believe all the fabricated doom and gloom scenarios that the media unleash each minute, they now believe the lies that McCain is fighting with Palin over the style of campaigning, they believe that is all over and we cannot win.
Yet those are the same people who make fun for what they like to call “sheeple” and say that they are controlled by the media but in reality they are worse than any “sheeple” because they fall for all the lies and fabrication that the media spew constantly.
They are the one who lecture Republicans to get a spine or balls or whatever macho word they like to use in each comment they post but yet they have already surrendered and declared all is lost and we cannot win.
For the vast majority of us Freepers we are going to fight and we are going to win and will never believe the lies and fabrications of the media.
A lot of the posters you refer to are sleeper trolls who have signed up sometime ago and may even be a situation where hundreds were signed up years ago amd are only used during the election cycle.
Every day I have to post on threads that the polls are over sampling democrats and blacks. I am constantly seeing posters who’s signup date goes back years and they are posting crap. Some of these old names I don’t recall ever seeing before.
Everyone should understand that there are Leftist trolls on this site with signup dates going back years.
To arms, to arms the Marxists are coming!
And then there are FReepers who don’t believe the lies of the media, the Democrats, or the Republicans.
I know we’re scarce these days, but we do exist.
Agree 100%. We love America more than anything we differ about with Senator McCain.
The website needs freeper help posting information now!
“However, to say that the “likely voter” polls are deliberately biased is to say that capitalism doesn’t work.”
It depends on how they define “likely voters”.
It used to be that they considered the record of their votes, i.e., did they actually vote in the past several presidential elections. Now, it seems they ask the voters whether they are likely to vote in this election, and 89% say they are 90-100% sure they will vote, but the turn out is never that large. I saw this in some internals, where the they did it exactly this way. Maybe not all polls do it this way, but some do.
Oh, I only read the heading!!
This country can’t and won’t survive even four years of an Obamanation administration. We have to keep Obama from winning at all costs. We have no choice. Half of the country does not want communism, which is exactly what Obama will be installing as a form of government. Half of the country also doesn’t want gun control or late-term abortions. There is no way that our half of the country will survive under Obama and the socialists. America will cease to be a free nation if we don’t act now and prevent this travesty.
We should have never let the leftists take over our mainstream media in the first place. We should never have allowed them to indoctrinate our children in public schools for DECADES now either. When the hell are we, the people, the non-socialist people, going to wake up and do something, instead of just talk about it?
But nothing is done with the trolls.
Acorn= Fannie Mae, Sallie Mae & Freddie Mac= buyout of sub prime loans= Democrats= largest financial disaster since the great depression.
It is amazing. Normally Freepers believe nothing the propaganda press says. Yet they suddenly are convinced by polls spit out by the same liars in the media. That’s a glaring cognitive disconnect.
Every election the MSM pulls the same crap. Same scenario. Same goofy polls. The liars did it for President Gore, President Kerry and are trying again with President Nobama.
These people marching in the gloom and doom parades here on FR need to make a pot a coffee, buy a jelly doughnut, take a break and reconnect their brain neurons.
Great post.
I could not agree more. The polls are so misleading that I can’t imaging putting any faith at all in them. They oversample both blacks and democRAT voters. Can you imagine how far ahead even a lame candidate like McCain would be if the media wasn’t carrying his water?
I believe the media is group thinking incompetent.
Maybe so, but we sure as hell can.
I totally agree with this post.
Let me try and explain why so many of the people on this forum are affected by the lies of the MSM. For one, it directly affects our moral. And if the media report something we know is not true we understand that there are millions out there who will believe it. And if our moral is affected by these lies for a variety of reasons. How do you think those people out there who believe these lies feel?
I’ve noticed how the media try and create narratives. For instance, the angry white McCain supporter.
You’ve heard the reports of people at McCain rallies calling Obama a “terrorist” and saying “off with their heads.”
First, how do we know these are McCain supporters and not Obama plants. And second, how do we know, if true, at the same thing doesn’t happen at Obama rallies?
It only takes one reporter to overhear someone say something they find newsworthy. It does not have to have any substance or context if that one statement can be used in a narrative the media constructs if that statement or word is useful to them.
So you have millions of McCain supporters hear over and over again on television and in print that his rallies are producing angry white supporters who hate Obama.
How demoralizing is it to have McCain himself come out and say calm down? Basically accepting the medias narrative of his supporters being angry white Obama haters.
And then you have people like Bill Kristol on television agreeing with the media along with McCain.
If you were to design a flow chart of McCain’s message and the press’s reporting on that message. You’d see a direct correlation of one to the other. That being McCain’s message tends to piggy back on what the media thinks of his message. The same media who are trying to destroy him mind you.
So you see, McCain tailors his message to what, the very same press that hates him and wants him to loose, wants.
If the press was reporting on how respectful a campaign McCain was running you’d know he was loosing.
It’s always fascinated to me when the very same people who are against John McCain and want him to loose give him advise as if they are looking out for his best interest.
If the things he’s doing are so bad for his chances of winning, and will hurt him come election day. Why would they tell him? Shouldn’t they just shut up and let him self destruct?
That’s the question you need to ask.
Excellent quote from a great man.
As was yours.
I have a different take on this. These poll companies are supplying their customers with exactly what their customers want. Their customers (the media) obviously are not concerned about accuracy (remember the Dan Rather "fake but accurate" mantra). They are concerned with putting a pro Democrat slant to all news.
So with this logic, these companies are giving them exactly what they want.
They may be entirely wrong in their predictions, but the point is that the pollsters are trying to get it right. If they are just choosing algorithms based on bias, they will be consistently wrong, and over time they will lose business. It’s a market-driven situation. To deny the polls by saying they are biased is to deny reality. Denying reality is never a good thing. We need to wake up and figure out how to win, or at a minimum prepare for the bad times.
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