Dramatic climate shift didn't kill Neanderthals

MSNBC ^ | 9-12-07 | Michael Kahn

[Renfield]

LONDON - Neanderthals probably fell victim to taller and superior Cro-Magnons rather than catastrophic climate change, researchers said on Wednesday.

Using a new method to calibrate carbon-14 dating, the international team found the last Neanderthals died at least 3,000 years before a major change in temperatures occurred.

This suggests either modern humans or a combination of humans and less severe climate change caused the species' demise some 30,000 years ago, said Chronis Tzedakis, a paleoecologist at the University of Leeds, who led the study published in the journal Nature.....

[Renfield]

Neanderthal ping.

[blam]

I always thought the Last Glacial Maximum got them.

[SampleMan]

The genocide theories just don’t pass logical muster to me. To completely wipe out Neanderthals so quickly would require purpose, planning, and great effort. Europe was not thickly populated, so there were many isolated places.

[G Larry]

There are studies that suggest Neanderthals were their contemporaries with Rickets. NOT some other evolutionary path.

[SampleMan]

That was the original idea until many skeletons were found, but I haven’t seen that in modern times. Does rickets create stronger tendon attachments, and how do they explain the consistent difference in nerve routing in the jaw (I think its the jaw that has the hole in it)?

[muawiyah]

More recently many of the Cro-Magnon fans have been trying to lurk away from their African proportioned ancestors ~ and co-opt the short, burly chested, four-breasted, hairy Neanderthals!

It's not like these guys hadn't continued the ancient human/chimp practice of swapping females up and down the line.

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[wildbill]

Some recent theories and studies indicate that the ‘taller and superior’ Cro Magnons were able to mate with the Neanderthal species.

Perhaps they were also faster and better looking and thus able to catch and mate with willing or unwilling Neanderthal maidens, creating hybrids which became closer and closer to the dominant species over the years through constant breeding out of the Neanderthal stock.

Perhaps this was the way the Neanderthal world ended, not with a whimper but a bang!

[null and void]

Perhaps this was the way the Neanderthal world ended, not with a whimper but a gang bang!

[ElkGroveDan]

There are studies that suggest Neanderthals were their contemporaries with Rickets

Actually there are no such "studies". It was a single opinion by 19th century anatomist Rudolf Virchow in 1856.

[Monkey Face]

We know it didn’t kill them. Some are doing non-sequiter commercials for far insurance, and others have branched out with thier own TV show. Next thing you know, they’ll be running for office. Wait. Erase that. We have quite a few in DC, don’t we?

[SunkenCiv]

DC? Now you’re just insulting Neandertals. ;’)

[SunkenCiv]

Neandertal women were better able to pass those big-brained babies. :')

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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith

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[Monkey Face]

Ooops! My bad!

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks ElkGroveDan.

http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/homoneaderthalensis.htm

[snip] German scientist R. Virchow claimed that it was the skeleton of a diseased Cossack cavalryman, with thick browridges developed from constantly furrowing his brow in pain. Even when the validity of remains attributed to Neanderthal were no longer in such question, the description of Neanderthals was still full of controversy. M. Boule and H. Vallois were the most prominent of those who believed that Neanderthals had no place in modern ancestry. These two supported the idea that Neanderthals were more apelike than human, were of simian intelligence, and walked in an apelike gait. These perceptions were based on both the misinterpretation of the La Chapelle-aux-Saints specimen as typic of the species (this species was an older individual with chronic arthritis throughout its body), and on the prejudices of these researchers, who refused to accept any evidence that related Neanderthals closely to modern Europeans. [end of snip]

[SunkenCiv]

;’)

[Monkey Face]

;o])

Backatcha!

[SunkenCiv]

regarding the Neandertal nerve canal:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1895747/posts?page=8#8

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1895746/posts?page=12#12
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1895746/posts?page=17#17