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Great Impact Debate Part I: The Benefits of Hard Bodies
Astrobiology ^ | February 10, 2003 (four years ago) | Chapman, Harris, Peiser, Veverka, Ward, Yeomans

Posted on 03/04/2007 8:43:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Benny Peiser: I find it very difficult to see any positive traits in comets or asteroids. From a psychological perspective, it is understandable that we try to put a positive spin on the ultimate threat NEOs pose to human survival... As we have discovered during the last 50 years, the sad truth is that asteroids and comets have been the foremost agents of environmental annihilation and the key obstacles to the evolution of life. Life has taken root on Earth not because of cometary deliveries of organic material and volatiles but in spite of extensive NEO bombardment. We only need to look at the other pockmarked planets of our solar system to recognize that impacts essentially extinguish the chances for the evolution of life. Complex forms of life have survived on Earth because we seem to be uniquely situated in a habitable niche that comprises relatively decent protection from colossal, life-exterminating impacts. We should bear in mind that 99.9% of all species that ever dwelled on Earth were wiped out, most likely, as a result of large impacts.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism
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1 posted on 03/04/2007 8:43:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: 75thOVI; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; Brujo; CGVet58; Chani; ..
At the very least, read it for some guffaws at the expense of that uniformitarian apologist Peter Ward. :'D
 
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2 posted on 03/04/2007 8:44:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I guess the suspense now is, when will some idiotic moron arrive to add "callingartbell" to the keywords?

Small Comets and Our Origins
University of Iowa | circa 1999 | Louis A. Frank
Posted on 10/19/2004 11:13:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1250694/posts

An Argument for the Cometary Origin of the Biosphere
American Scientist | September-October 2001 | Armand H. Delsemme
Posted on 09/06/2004 11:16:38 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1208497/posts


3 posted on 03/04/2007 8:46:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Great Impact Debate II: Much Ado About Nothing?
February 17, 2003
Benny Peiser: I am not so sure about the accurateness of the claim that "no one in recorded history has been killed by an asteroid or comet." As a matter of fact, there are historical records that give accounts of suspected meteorite impacts leading to fatalities. For example, a number of historical reports exist about an alleged disaster in 1490 AD, said to have occurred in the Chinese city of Qingyang (Shaanxi province). According to these reports, over 10,000 people were killed when "stones fell from the sky like rain." Perhaps, as John Lewis has suggested in his book "Rain of Iron and Ice" (1996), it would be wiser to say, "No one in recorded history has ever been killed by a meteorite in the presence of a meteorite scientist and a medical doctor".

4 posted on 03/04/2007 8:50:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Great Impact Debate III: The Large and the Small
February 24, 2003
Clark Chapman: Despite the fluctuating headlines in often inaccurate media stories, estimates of the relative risks due to comets and asteroids of various sizes has changed little in the last decade. Roughly 80 percent of the impact hazard is due to asteroids between 1 and several kilometers in diameter. About another 10 percent is due to an asteroid smaller than a kilometer striking the ocean and causing a tsunami. Roughly another 10 percent is due to comets, and less than 1 percent is due to small asteroids striking the land. So it is sensible that NASA finally decided, in 1998, to endorse the Spaceguard Survey goal of emphasizing searches for the NEAs greater than 1 kilometer (though the survey also finds smaller NEAs and comets).

5 posted on 03/04/2007 8:54:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Great Impact Debate IV: Collision Course for Earth
March 3, 2003
Joe Veverka: I believe that we currently are not in a position to protect Earth from impacts by one kilometer-sized objects. The technology required to carry out such a task exists, or it can be developed, but the effort would be colossal by any standards... In such a discussion, it is essential to define a "horizon of concern." In other words, how far into the future does it make sense to worry about something and take precautions? ...It is only when we get down to impacts that occurred early in the 20th century that it makes sense to discuss mitigation - for example, the Tunguska explosion of 1908 that has been attributed to a meteoroid 60 meters in diameter. But even for these events, which might occur every few hundred to a thousand years, the cost of a mitigation policy must be weighed against the likely benefit.

6 posted on 03/04/2007 8:55:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Great Impact Debate V: Encore
March 10, 2003
Alan Harris: Such asteroids pass near the Earth many times before they impact. The objective of the Spaceguard Survey is to discover asteroids as they pass by the Earth on one of those prior occasions, which is exactly what happened with 2002 EM7. Whether the asteroid was discovered while approaching or receding is not a major issue... The main difference applies to objects just barely big enough to penetrate the Earth's atmosphere, like the Tunguska event. We can conclude the Tunguska cosmic body was a "hard stone" asteroidal object, because if it had been soft and fluffy it would have exploded at a much higher altitude than it did. Likewise, an iron body would have hit the ground and produced a crater about the size of Meteor Crater in Arizona. But for larger objects, the nature of the impactor hardly matters. A 1 kilometer-diameter object will punch right through the atmosphere regardless of its velocity or composition. So if it is that large, there is not much difference in effect between iron, rock, or a snowball of the same mass.

7 posted on 03/04/2007 8:57:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well a meteor shower does bring Superman to earth. That is a positive at least.


8 posted on 03/04/2007 9:06:52 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (Like I always say, there's no "I" in team. There's a "me" though, if you jumble it up.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wikie:

The evolution model is associated primarily with uniformitarianism, but evidence of catastrophism makes the uniformitarian assumption untenable...

AND FWIGHTENS THEM HALF TO DEATH!

Poor babies.

9 posted on 03/04/2007 9:14:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Too bad it also brought Kryptonite.


10 posted on 03/04/2007 9:18:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Dr. Peiser used to moderate Cambridge Conference Network a forum about catastrophism and Global Warming (big time skepticism). One of the best forums ever on the net.


11 posted on 03/04/2007 9:51:58 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wrong thread...again!

12 posted on 03/04/2007 9:55:11 PM PST by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: endthematrix

I forgive ya.


13 posted on 03/05/2007 9:27:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks

"asteroids and comets have been the foremost agents of environmental annihilation and the key obstacles to the evolution of life. Life has taken root on Earth not because of cometary deliveries of organic material and volatiles but in spite of extensive NEO bombardment."

...or, they've played an indispensible role in the origin of species, *or*, they've happened but had the same influence as poppin' a zit, *or*...

;')


14 posted on 03/19/2007 5:21:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Sunday, March 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
*or*

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1250694/posts #9

Your image. Does 'celestial water' come complete with salt I wonder?

15 posted on 03/19/2007 6:37:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum Aussie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

*or*

Chilean Nitrate Deposits




These are very unusual deposits not found anywhere else on earth. The nitrate deposits are formed from water soluble saline minerals. It is the origin of these deposits which is not accounted for by present geological theories. The nitrogen occurs in a band 30km wide from Latt 19 deg 30 min S to 26 deg S, a distance of about 700km. Most of the deposits are at an altitude of over 1-2,000 meters and as high as 3 to 4,000 meters and involve an estimated 200,000,000 tons of nitrates. Sources of the following minerals are not clearly established





Iodate
Perchlorate
Chromate
Chromium rich rocks are absent in Northern Chile and Chromium is rare in sea water.

http://www.geocities.com/aleph135/nitrates10.html


16 posted on 03/20/2007 1:15:16 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum Aussie.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I was reading Luis Alvarez' memoirs (just finished it over the weekend; watch for the review on Amazon, just don't watch right away ;') and found his comments about the phony claims of a South African nuclear bomb test in the Indian Ocean. I immediately thought of Louis Frank. :')


17 posted on 03/20/2007 11:06:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Sunday, March 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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