Posted on 07/30/2018 2:24:36 PM PDT by Fhios
Full Title: Republican lawmaker, NRA lobbyist challenge Florida sheriff on 'Stand Your Ground' stance in shooting.
... The incident was captured on surveillance video and drew national attention. The argument began when Drejka questioned McGlockton’s girlfriend about parking in the handicapped parking space without a permit while McGlockton went inside the store.
“He told deputies that he had to shoot to defend himself. Those are the facts and that’s the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri was quoted as saying. ”No matter how you slice it or dice it that was a violent push to the ground.” ...
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How can there be a trial if the shooter hasn’t been charged?
The story is, the sheriff refuses to charge him, because he says the shooter was in compliance with the law.
Now, not withstanding all the political talk, the man wasn’t charged. Maybe with enough political pressure he will be, as happened to George Zimmerman.
So no trial, no jury selection, no verdict.
Yes. Good point. However that situation could change.
Do you think it started with a honk and ended with a key?
The reason this is such a big story is it's racial.
Having a big black guy attack old man me physically, and yes, I would fear for my life. The evidence of young black men and women's hostility, especially to old white men, is boundless. They've been fed that garbage that people like me are responsible for their plight. I'm sure eventually some will snap.
Telling the truth today might mean you'll be called a racist, but there it is.
The truth is I never owned a slave, never voted for or passed a Jim Crow law, and never, ever tried to hurt someone, physically, mentally or verbally because they were another color than me.
But they really are taught that.
That wasn’t his wife. That was his receptacle.
If he really were really worried about her safety, he’d have moved toward her to protect her. Instead, his side step was away from her, as if to find another angle of attack. To me he looked like a hyena circling its its wounded, but still dangerous victim, plotting how he was going to move in for the kill. I think you see it differently. That’s just it. Reasonable people differ in this case.
But even if in his thug mind he had some other intent, his movements were ambiguous. And if someone is pointing a gun at you after you’ve viciously attacked them, you don’t want to give your victim the wrong idea about what’s coming next.
That could produce “reasonable fear” in your victim, arising from the “reasonable doubt” of your ambiguous intentions.
That doesn’t mean it wasn’t bad manners, a little foolish, and sort of gauche to be arguing with the guy’s slut. I agree with that.
I’m actually am disabled. Not really bad, but I use a cane. And when a$$holes like the thug and its slut take a space that I could really use, it burns me up. But I would never confront someone about it. They might turn out to be a thug and his slut, and he may viciously assault me, just like in this case.
and to that point, the DA should definitely opt NOT to charge him as the outcome will most likely be the same as GZ; not guilty. Especially since this attack was caught on video and in most (sane) minds, the thug viciously attacked the other guy and was it was a justified kill.
I do find it a bit interesting that we’re really not hearing anything about this case from anyone in an official capacity. It makes me wonder if the thug, along with his very long criminal record, was illegally carrying his own weapon.
Just because you’re black doesn’t entitle you to park in handicap parking spots in in the fire lane of businesses. If a person are wrong and someone calls Them out on it the response is not violence. If violence is chosen as a response to bad behavior then people can stand their ground. It’s that simple.
Is illegally parking in the handicapped spot a crime? Are you allowed to say something to somebody who is committing a crime? If somebody assaults you in the commission of a misdemeanor just because you said they were committing a misdemeanor how is that being a hall monitor dickhead.
Grow up.
The whole situation seems to open the door to setup/grudge/revenge murders
All you have to do is provoke any minor physical scuffle, pull out your gun and shoot.
There - you showed him!
If this is the threshold - you could go into the city and kill black people all day long with impunity.
Just go up to the first black guy you see jay walking and take issue with him. When he punches you in the nose - shoot him!
Not sure how this is much different.
I consider it HIGHLY ill advised to say something to someone who is committing a crime.
One night, in Harrisburg PA, we were walking back to our car after taking in a band downtown. It was probably 2AM or after. Over by the train station, there was two guys stealing a flag from a building.
I just kept walking. Steal the flag - jimmy crack corn...and I don’t care!
But of course my girl friend starts yelling at them - Im like STFU!!! Are you freakin’ crazy?! Im not about to get into it with two random dudes on the street! Carry on, fellas!
Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.
Your right it is no different. I have free speech. The others do not have free violence rights. If I say hello and someone attacks me, then bang!
People cannot and should not have the right to digress into violence in response.
I know radical idea. Don’t physically assault people expecting no response. You feel free to hide, roll over, show your belly while demanding someone stand up for the rules of a civil society. WOW. CRAZY.
We don’t know if he waited till the boyfriend went into the store or not. The video shows him pulling up and parking after the boyfriend and son have walked into store.
Begs the question - Can you confront a handicap person with a permit for parking in a non-handicap spot?
Sounds like a scene from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
LARRY: “Uh pardon me, I couldn’t help but notice you drove right past the handicap spot and took that last non-handicap spot...now I have nowhere to park!”
Its been my experience that people who think this way are either healthy and have some experience defending themselves or at least think they do
Here’s a tidbit....I’m a big strong guy who grew up brawling in a shitty neighborhood in a shitty city and have had my bell rung countless times and am pretty used to it...yet somehow not too many years ago a big drunk punched me in the back of the head over a percieved slight and down i went and was nearly pummelled to death before i escalated my response
It was a major hassle but if i hadn’t escalated the level of force I’d be dead
That said, i dont hit people or even touch them over words...if you lay hands on someone you should be planning on killing them and have justification cause anyone who lays hands on me or mine isnt getting the opportunity to escalate it to some standard they perceive as the threshold for deadly force
About 14 years ago, my girlfriend, now my wife, was in a heated argument with a guy at a hotel we were staying at in the Philippines. I just walked across the room and listened. Then put up a finger and said may I talk to her for a minute?
I pulled her aside and found they both had a good reason to be angry. He was there to pick us for a tour that he thought she had agreed to the day before. I told the guy I would give him 20 bucks for his time and gas. He left with no issue, and he didn’t get the 40 bucks he wanted. My wife was still pissed off, but no one got assaulted.
I never thought of tackling the guy and beating him to a pulp. A man can argue with a woman without getting assaulted in a civilized world with laws that forbid it.
I think the man got exactly what he deserved. The woman gets the assist. She deserves much of the credit, getting in the distraction for the instigation and the blind side hit. She intentionally ramped it up and distracted the guy to get him hurt. Blood is on her hands.
It agree in part. As a high ranked martial artist and a fan of handguns it’s up to me to decide where the confrontation goes. I don’t think the shooter started this confrontation. He has every right to speak his mind and then move on. His problem is he had too much to say and didn’t move on. If he was trying to convince the woman to move than that was wrong in a stupid way.
Thanks for the story. If your life is threatened that is certainly rationale for using a gun to defend oneself. The whole issue centers on what is the threshold for the use of deadly force? If the threshold is simply — “if you lay hands on me you’re dead” — then someone that kills on that premise is probably going to jail. There has to be a legitimate fear of being killed before killing someone is justified.
So he was a coward as well, turning to leave
‘his woman” to the mercy of a nut with a gun, who, for talking to his woman, should have risked taking a viscous beating from him, like a man.
“His woman”. This is where he went off the tracks. No woman is my woman. I’m married. A guy can argue with my wife, or flirt with my wife. It doesnt give me the right to knock him on his butt and prepare to spill his brains out on the pavement with a head stomp. If he didn’t have a gun, I bet the little lady would have joined in for the head stomping, once she felt safe enough to do it.
Yes, but keep in mind there are a lot of folks who perceive any aggressive contact as a threat to their lives....cops shoot people all the time based on presumptions
I have zero desire to harm much less kill anyone but there is a point when you have an instinctive reflex to end the threat. I have a few friends who are/were soldiers and cops who have no capacity to not respond and i doubt it can be undone
I think if everyone just assumed that of everyone else manners might make a comeback
I’ll agree he was backing away but that is only because he saw the gun. Otherwise, he’d probably be stomping the guys head soon after the shove.
I don’t have a dog in this fight but man, it sure sucks a watch a man die.
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