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How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military
US Defense Watch ^ | April 21, 2017 | Ray Starmann

Posted on 04/21/2017 9:25:02 PM PDT by pboyington

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To: TheNext
The bottom line result is the Middle East is a disaster.

Yes, a disaster created by the Bitch and the Bastard and ISIS is their Frankenstein creation.

41 posted on 04/22/2017 4:23:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Theophilus

That is brilliant!

Thank you. ‘Pod


42 posted on 04/22/2017 4:25:01 AM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: pboyington

A lot of truth here.


43 posted on 04/22/2017 4:34:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: pboyington

Interesting theory of why our military got feminized. I buy it!


44 posted on 04/22/2017 4:37:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: pboyington
Mostly true - the biggest price of Desert Storm ("the Drive-By Shooting") was that the powers-that-be believed that wars can be fought on the cheap with relatively few casualties.

As we have seen and will see more, wars are either won conclusively with clearly-defined objectives and overwhelming force - or paid for by years and years of endless counterinsurgency.

I hope Mattis does reverse the politically-correct but destructive social crap (no, girls should not be in combat units and no, openly gay people should not be serving anywhere) but we haven't seen any movement yet to repair things.

45 posted on 04/22/2017 4:40:10 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Darksheare

AMEN.!

Both were clueless political boobs.

RLTW


46 posted on 04/22/2017 4:43:48 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: SakoL61R

HONK.

HONK, HONK....

RLTW


47 posted on 04/22/2017 4:47:26 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: pboyington

Excellent, right on target. The first order of business for Mattis should have been to fire every three and four star officer on the payroll. They led the charge for Obama to destroy the military and every one should have been fired. But this “drain the swamp” mantra seems to have been nothing more than a cheap campaign promise soon forgotten at the White House and Pentagon. There has been no draining at all from my vantage point. And Trump will pay for that if it continues.


48 posted on 04/22/2017 5:10:57 AM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: nathanbedford; pboyington; All

Great post in a great thread commenting on a great article. BTTT!


49 posted on 04/22/2017 5:20:31 AM PDT by PGalt (Freeman is dead.)
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To: Chainmail

“I hope Mattis does reverse the politically-correct but destructive social crap (no, girls should not be in combat units and no, openly gay people should not be serving anywhere) but we haven’t seen any movement yet to repair things.”

With daughter Ivanka and husband Jared Kushner sitting in White House offices, attending key meetings, and having access to the president after hours, it is difficult to expect any social engineering of the military to be reversed. The elected Trump seems to be conforming to Washington, not picking new fights with social justice warriors.


50 posted on 04/22/2017 5:33:48 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: pboyington

Excellent, well articulated article.

Hard to disagree, unfortunately.


51 posted on 04/22/2017 5:38:53 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: nathanbedford

You, Sir, just hit the bulls-eye. Great comment.


52 posted on 04/22/2017 5:54:23 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: pboyington

Caveat: I did not serve in the military.

I mostly agree with this article, but I would draw some slightly different conclusions.

1. Generational Change.

Yes, to some extent we are a victim of our own success. One thing I did NOT see in the article was any reference to the ‘end’ of the Cold War. I distinctly remember the mantra of the “peace dividend”. Iraq was annihilated in February of 1991, then the Soviet Union dissolved in December of 1991. Both of those were monumental events for the United States armed forces.

That was followed in 1992 by the end of the WWII Generation of presidents and the election of a baby boomer. George H.W. Bush was 20 years older than Bill Clinton. He might as well have been 200 years older. The approach that the latter took to the military was as different as daylight and dark. And that was not because of Desert Storm.

2. Liberal and Neo-Con Misapplication of the Success of Desert Storm.

In many ways, Desert Storm was prosecuted like WWII. We massed large numbers of troops and equipment and destroyed large numbers of troops and equipment.

However, the lessons learned were wildly different in interpretation and both led to the present day destruction mentioned in this article.

The liberals saw:
1. Several unnecessary magnitudes of overkill ability.
2. No enemy capable of standing up to us, hence no real threat on the horizon.
3. The demise of the number one reason for military preparedness.
4. The ability to strike targets with extremely high precision and not have large numbers of collateral, civilian casualties.

Conclusion: We need to DRASTICALLY slash military spending. There is no need for it. No war. We can achieve political ends (i.e go to war) with surgical military strikes with very little risk to civilians.

The neo-cons saw:
1. 1. Several magnitudes of overkill ability.
2. No enemy capable of standing up to us, hence no present, credible threat.
3. The demise of the number one reason for spending on quantity of equipment.
4. The ability to strike targets with extremely high precision with much lower risk of civilian casualties.

Conclusion: We need to cut weapons numbers and spend money of high-tech. We can wage war with much smaller fighting forces and do it much more cheaply.

IMO, the writer nailed it on the social engineering done. But the underlying reasons for doing it was not accurately addressed.

Many forget that 6 months after the end of Desert Storm, the political side of that conflict was seen as a failure. Saddam Hussein was still firmly in power, though his power was greatly reduced. That is why my reasons #1 and #2 are so important.


53 posted on 04/22/2017 6:02:01 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
"The turd world people can only be reached by monumental power and brutality. It is all those illiterate inbreds can understand. Any quarter on our part is considered a sign of weakness. The turd worlder adversary needs to be beaten down to a limp, bloody, broken pulp. Their countries need to be reduced to rubble and desolation."

One of the most succinct statements of how to win a war I have ever read.

54 posted on 04/22/2017 6:06:19 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Terrible but true. If you fight you fight or forget about it.


55 posted on 04/22/2017 6:06:21 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: SE Mom

Matt is wouldn’t give a flying fluck about this article. Park your hope.


56 posted on 04/22/2017 6:09:22 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: pboyington

The author seems fixated on the lack of press corps access to the fighting. Why should they give the news service (which since Vietman works for the enemies of the US) the opportunity to paint a sympathetic picture of the enemy?


57 posted on 04/22/2017 6:24:18 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: DannyTN
Elections have consequences.

Yup, most of the damage was done by Zero

58 posted on 04/22/2017 6:32:27 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: pboyington

Wow, he tells it like it is. Hope it gets to the Pentagon and the President.


59 posted on 04/22/2017 6:47:12 AM PDT by jch10
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To: nathanbedford

Thanks for your input. Always interesting.


60 posted on 04/22/2017 6:58:48 AM PDT by onedoug
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