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Comparing Barrel Twist Rates
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 9/25/2016 | J Hines

Posted on 09/25/2016 10:03:53 AM PDT by w1n1

When a bullet is fired, the rifling of the barrel puts a twist on the bullet in order to improve accuracy, increase the distance traveled, and to stabilize the bullet as it moves through the air towards its target. Twist rates are often set up as a ratio, such as 1:14, 1:12, or 1:7, which refers to inches per turn. A twist rate of 1:10 means the bullet will turn one time in 10 inches of the barrel.

Rifling was discovered in 15th century Germany and most likely took the science behind arrows, which are fletched in a way that the arrow spins, thereby increasing its accuracy. It did not gain popularity until the 18th century, and was a crucial tool for the young United States to beat the British in the Revolutionary War. Nowadays, gunsmiths use either cut rifling or button rifling to produce this effect, but either technique effectively adds raised lands and depreciated grooves along the length of the barrel that cause the bullet to rotate before it ever leaves the gun. Read the rest of the story here.


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1 posted on 09/25/2016 10:03:53 AM PDT by w1n1
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To: w1n1
Furthermore, a lower ratio means an increased speed, so a twist rate of 1:7 will travel faster than one at 1:9, because it will complete a full rotation in only 7 inches compared to 9

I assume he means speed of rotation.

2 posted on 09/25/2016 10:11:59 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

And the longer the bullet, the faster the twist rate required to stabilize the bullet.


3 posted on 09/25/2016 10:14:26 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: fso301

The twist does effect velocity, but not by much.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/02/does-barrel-twist-rate-affect-muzzle-velocity-litz-test/


4 posted on 09/25/2016 10:19:13 AM PDT by GMMC0987
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To: MtnClimber
Pointed, spinning at a 1/4 mil rpm, then it hits flesh.
5 posted on 09/25/2016 10:20:10 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: w1n1
Miller twist rule is a mathematical formula created by Don Miller to calculate the optimum rate of twist for a given bullet traveling through a rifled barrel.[1] Miller suggests that while Greenhill's formula works well there are better and more precise ways to calculate what the proper twist rate for a bullet should be that are not much more difficult to calculate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_twist_rule


6 posted on 09/25/2016 10:52:15 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: MtnClimber

The twist rate also affects chamber pressure for a bullet of a given mass. There is a limit to the tightness of the twist, after which the bullet merely scrapes off into the groves.


7 posted on 09/25/2016 10:55:24 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Elderberry

I found this episode of “Mythbusters” fascinating.

“Bullet Fired vs. Bullet Dropped”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUBrQmI33Q&list=PLOdnh5J_7Iy7KerFi9J_HX0nPLndzo_F7&index=5


8 posted on 09/25/2016 11:02:42 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
I found this episode of “Mythbusters” fascinating.

“Bullet Fired vs. Bullet Dropped”

It just shows that earth's gravitation pull was constant for the two bullets.

9 posted on 09/25/2016 11:15:31 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

I get that.

But can any level of “rifling” change this ?

I doubt it can change the “Gravity” aspect, but can it change or improve the velocity ?

I mean, we hear about these snipers that take out their targets from a mile away. At what point, over what distance will the bullet lose the velocity required to get the job done?

A bullet dropped from 30,000 feet will reach terminal velocity and may or may not be deadly. A bullet fired from a gun starts out well ahead of terminal velocity but at some point will be reduced to such.

What is that number/distance when the physics take over and make the “fired” round ineffective?


10 posted on 09/25/2016 11:34:46 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

***A bullet dropped from 30,000 feet will reach terminal velocity and may or may not be deadly.***

Years ago I read about small metal darts that were dropped on infantry in WWII. Hardened heads were supposed to be more effective than strafing. Ever so often I would see these darts at a gun show.

I got a call this year from Texas in which a 50 cal FMJ bullet hit a double pained window, broke the outer glass then dropped to the sill. It did not break the inner glass. I figure someone far, far, away fired it. The owner was so glad no one was targeting him!


11 posted on 09/25/2016 11:51:35 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (HANDGUNS; You don’t need it until you need it. And when you need it you NEED IT!”)
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To: GingisK

“There is a limit to the tightness of the twist, after which the bullet merely scrapes off into the groves.”

There’s also a limit whereby the centrifugal force is high enough to tear the bullet apart.


12 posted on 09/25/2016 12:08:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: Elderberry
US General Julian Hatcher wrote of this and many other related topics. I am sure he included this very (Millers) formula in his book: Hatchers Notebook. This has the best book written on the subject of anything to do with rifles and projectiles. Amazon have it listed here: Hatchers Notebook
13 posted on 09/25/2016 12:16:52 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Dont forget Love)
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To: w1n1

Then, there’s “Gain-Twist”...


14 posted on 09/25/2016 12:28:20 PM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
US General Julian Hatcher wrote of this and many other related topics. I am sure he included this very (Millers) formula in his book: Hatchers Notebook. This has the best book written on the subject of anything to do with rifles and projectiles. Amazon have it listed here: Hatchers Notebook

I have a copy of Hatcher's Notebook and it is a must have for any firearm library.

Miller's formula is not in it as Don Miller published his formula in 1995.

15 posted on 09/25/2016 12:34:31 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Zeneta
What is that number/distance when the physics take over and make the “fired” round ineffective?

That is called the "Maximum Effective Range". The range beyond which you may miss your target, thus your round is ineffective.

http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/Articles/ABDOC101_1_MaxEffectiveRange.pdf

Minimal energy causing round ineffectiveness is another matter entirely.

“A bullet fired into the air can return to earth at speeds between 300 and 700 feet per second, fast enough to pierce a person’s skull,”

http://forensicoutreach.com/library/the-falling-bullet-myths-legends-and-terminal-velocity/

16 posted on 09/25/2016 12:56:53 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I found a pistol bullet on top of my AC/heater unit up in the attic. I looked up above it and found the hole clean thru my composition over cedar shake roof.

I sure wouldn't want to get hit by a falling bullet.

17 posted on 09/25/2016 1:06:38 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Zeneta

It gets complicated when you talk about distances. A faster twist will run up pressures, which has an effect on muzzle velocity. In other words if everything else is equal, you can put more powder in a 1 in 12 than a 1 in 7. If the 1 in 12 won’t stabilize a bullet properly, it will yaw, which will kill it’s effective ballistic coefficient, which will cause its downrange velocity to go to hell. You can see the same effect of too slow a twist on a big bore (think elephant) rifle, the bullet will yaw and penetration on an elephant skull will suck, literally cut it in half.

If in doubt my opinion, is to err on the side of faster twist.


18 posted on 09/25/2016 1:45:18 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: ctdonath2
Yep. Gun making is something best done with the cranium engaged. I have just about completed my machine shop. I hope to drill and rifle my own barrels; however, I won't go into high powered stuff until nothing I make bloats under pressure. Retired people have to play, you know.

There are interesting home made rifling machines "out there". I'm not sure which one to build. I will noodle through it eventually.

19 posted on 09/25/2016 4:29:36 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Zeneta
There are range tables for all bullet sizes and powder charges. The atmosphere really has a pronounced affect on them. Of course, unless you have a muzzle velocity of 21,000 mph, they will hit the ground anyway.

If you take the muzzle velocity and multiply it by the free fall time, you can predict how far a bullet won't get. (Assuming a horizontal shot.)

20 posted on 09/25/2016 4:34:08 PM PDT by GingisK
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