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Yes Donald, Colorado Did Vote…On March 1st
Conservative Review ^ | April 11, 2016 | Robert Eno

Posted on 04/12/2016 5:05:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

* From 1912 to 1988, and since 2004, Colorado used the current system for delegate selection, with no preference vote binding.
* Even in 1992, 1996, and 2004 delegates were bound by vote, but were free to vote conscience on second ballot.
* In 2012, Santorum won the non-binding straw poll but Romney received more delegates at conventions.
* A 2012 rules change at the RNC required any state that held a straw poll to bind their delegates, Colorado chose not to hold the straw poll, to enhance grass-roots participation.

If you’ve been on the internet this morning, you’ve seen the scathing headlines: “Republicans cancel presidential election in CO…” and “Fury as Colorado has no Primary or Caucus,” among others. The problem is that this is not exactly true. Colorado only briefly flirted with a binding primary, but even then the delegates were selected by a caucus-convention system. From 1912 – 1988, and 2004 to the present the delegates were not bound by a preferential vote. This year was no different.

In Colorado, a caucus is held to elect delegates to county assemblies and the county assemblies elect delegates to state and district assemblies where the delegates to the RNC are chosen. That is how it has worked over the past four presidential cycles, and it is nothing new for this year.

First, a little recent history. Conservative Review spoke to Florence Sebern, a member of the 2012 RNC Convention Rules Committee from Colorado. Sebern outlined how the Colorado Republican Party started holding non-binding straw polls to coincide with their caucuses in 2008. Sebern explained the process: “Prior to 2012 RNC rules changes, Colorado's presidential preference poll (instituted in 2008), did not bind delegates. Delegates could choose to pledge, via the National Delegate Notice of Intent form. A pledge bound delegates through the 1st round of voting.”

The New York Times description of the caucus system in Colorado in 2008 and 2012 confirms this account. In both instances they describe how the delegates are unbound from the results of the straw poll.

So why the change this year? According to Sebern, RNC rules instituted in 2012 said that any state that holds a preference poll in conjunction with their caucuses must bind delegates according to the results. The new rule was 16(a)(1):

Any statewide presidential preference vote that permits a choice among candidates for the Republican nomination for President of the United States in a primary, caucuses, or a state convention must be used to allocate and bind the state’s delegation to the national convention in either a proportional or winner-take-all manner, except for delegates and alternate delegates who appear on a ballot in a statewide election and are elected directly by primary voters.

“The caucus system was not fundamentally changed. What was changed was that a meaningless straw poll was not conducted — one that wouldn’t bind the delegates anyway.”

With the national rules change now governing, Sebern helped to lead the fight to end the short-lived presidential straw polls to keep the power of selecting delegates with the grassroots. Sebern wrote in an op-ed about the change:

Colorado’s caucus system is the way grassroots activists — We the People! — participate in and impact our political system.

Caucus is a meeting of neighbors, affiliated with a political party, who come together to discuss candidates, issues, ideas, elect leadership and delegates. It’s the basic building block of our Colorado political system. It’s an open door to local political activism. It’s an opportunity for all voices to be heard.

Caucus encourages one of the best aspects of politics: the opportunity to have a civil conversation with our neighbors who we may — or may not — agree with.

Caucus allows all voices to be heard and all concerns to be discussed.

In that same op-ed, Sebern explains that there were three short-lived primary cycles, and that the grassroots changed back to a caucus and saved the taxpayers money.

Colorado had a presidential primary in 1992, 1996, and 2000. We changed back to a caucus system and saved taxpayers $6 million dollars. Interestingly, voter participation declined during those primary years. Primaries may not be the only reason for a decline in voter participation (understanding the importance of civic engagement and quality candidates are certainly part of the “formula”), but they also don’t offer the neighborly experience that caucus does.

Donald Trump, and his media allies, have suggested that Colorado fundamentally changed their caucus system in the summer of 2015 to benefit Ted Cruz. In fact, the caucus system was not fundamentally changed. What was changed was that a meaningless straw poll was not conducted — one that wouldn’t bind the delegates anyway.

Even in 1992, 1996, and 2000 with the binding primary, delegates were selected by the caucus method. On a second ballot, at the national convention, those delegates could vote for whom they pleased.

Since the 2004 primary and caucus season — and from 1912 to 1988 before that — here is how the system worked: Republicans met in local precinct caucuses, which they did this year. People ran for delegate to the county assemblies (convention), often stating which presidential candidate they would support during the assemblies. The county assemblies picked delegates to district and state assemblies. Candidates running for national convention delegate could, optionally, bind themselves to a candidate or say what candidate they would support. The assemblies would elect the delegates.

In 2012, Rick Santorum won the non-binding presidential preference straw poll in Colorado. The result was: Santorum 40.3 percent, Mitt Romney 34.9 percent, Newt Gingrich 12.8 percent, and Ron Paul 11.8 percent. Romney ended up with more delegates, however; the delegate count was Romney 13, Santorum 6, and Paul 5.

The process described above is what happened this year. On March 1, thousands of Coloradans met at precinct caucuses. They elected delegates to the county assemblies. Those county assemblies sent delegates to state and district assemblies (conventions). There the delegates were selected. Exactly as they had been in 2004, 2008, and 2012.

Here’s how the chairman of the Colorado GOP explained it to Conservative Review, "The four step caucus process used this year was identical to the process employed in 2012 with the exception of the non-binding straw poll being eliminated," said Colorado GOP Chairman Steve House. "The process was open to all Colorado Republicans and all campaigns had ample opportunity to encourage their supporters to attend caucus, county assemblies, Congressional Assemblies, and the State Convention."

Donald Trump’s real fight is with the people way back in 2002 that fought to get rid of the binding primary, not Ted Cruz.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: cruz; delegates; tedcruz; trump; yellowjournalism
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To: cba123
How long have you been here, n00b? Maybe you should spend at least a month at FR before you go off on long term members who just happen to disagree with you. This isn't an echo chamber. We'll have our nominee soon, that we can support against evil personified, so maybe you should just lay off trying to censor speech you don't like.

Relax....have a cream soda.

61 posted on 04/12/2016 5:58:36 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: cba123

I think he works for his campaign. He must post 20 article a night.


62 posted on 04/12/2016 5:59:57 PM PDT by stratboy
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To: Wright Wing
Laura gets it. Rush does not.

That reminds me. Laura's show today began with the best monologue I've heard lately from anyone. I'm going to check and see if it's available in some form.

63 posted on 04/12/2016 6:01:43 PM PDT by snarkpup (I want a government small enough that my main concern in life doesn't need to be who's running it.)
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To: Sun
lol, is that the spin Donald is putting on his low-energy ignorance?

Cruz is the one on the top of the Drudge Report, and NOT in a good way. :)

Oh, BTW: Beck Compares Cruz to Moses... - The Drudge Report

64 posted on 04/12/2016 6:01:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (.)
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To: cba123

You are trolling

The anti Cruz trolling is what needs to stop.

Hateful garbage abounds about a good conservative leader.

Colorado was no trick or scam.

Trump is the sorest loser since gore.


65 posted on 04/12/2016 6:02:21 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Trump is anti-conservative / Cruz 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

66 posted on 04/12/2016 6:02:47 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Can we please kill the guy already who invented the saying "My bad"?)
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To: TigersEye
The guy who turned out to be a fraud?

No, the guy who was lied to by a fake precinct captain.

Oh excuse me, must be my mistake - Chicago style politics being used by Cruz on loan from Hillary's machine would NEVER stoop so low.

67 posted on 04/12/2016 6:03:04 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Mase
See post #19 & post #34. :)
68 posted on 04/12/2016 6:07:40 PM PDT by kiryandil (.)
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To: FreeReign

Yup. Just don’t believe any of it.


69 posted on 04/12/2016 6:13:23 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: stratboy

Then bypass and ignore it. No one is forcing you into this thread.


70 posted on 04/12/2016 6:16:37 PM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: kiryandil
Then there's no excuse for his behavior. If you don't like the thread, move on. No need to attack someone without provocation.

He still needs to relax and have a cream soda.

71 posted on 04/12/2016 6:18:29 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Now refute the article.”

They can’t.. they’d rather attack the messenger.


72 posted on 04/12/2016 6:19:15 PM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for this post. It is a great explanation of the facts about how the Colorado caucus system works. I live in Colorado. I personally don’t like the caucus system and would prefer a primary, but I never took the time to get involved enough to promote a change. I participated in the 2012 caucus and didn’t like the straw poll with unbound delegates.

There is no conspiracy, in fact I heard a Trump supporter call in today to a local radio station who stated that no matter how many times he and his brother (also a Trump supporter) asked the Trump campaign to get involved in Colorado they got no response or support.


73 posted on 04/12/2016 6:23:17 PM PDT by mrsloungitude ( The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. MT)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the grassroots talked about in this article were so great then that would be one thing. But this system isn’t about grassroots. It’s the opposite. This system rewards those who are the most deeply connected politically. It specifically excluded real grassroots candidates by making it nearly impossible for anyone but the politically connected to have a voice.


74 posted on 04/12/2016 6:23:19 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: mountainlion
You can not vote unless you are a registered demoRat or rePUBlican.

Am I wrong or is this not the same way it is in all closed primary states, including New York?

75 posted on 04/12/2016 6:29:49 PM PDT by etcb
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To: DouglasKC

I agree with your observation that the caucus system is not as grassroots as it is presented, though you are meeting up with like minded people in your own neighborhood. Only people who are truly interested participate but isn’t that the same type of people who vote in primaries?

I would prefer a primary vote with proportional delegate assignments. If the caucus system remains in Colorado I would like it changed so that the delegates are bound to the candidate that is voted for at the caucus.


76 posted on 04/12/2016 6:42:52 PM PDT by mrsloungitude ( The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. MT)
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To: lulu16

Not anymore he isn’t!


77 posted on 04/12/2016 6:50:38 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: FreeReign

where registered Republicans voted, right?
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voted? How many voted. What where the total votes for one candidate and the other? IN 2012 they voted, not this time.


78 posted on 04/12/2016 8:09:57 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: mountainlion

You poor thing.

Don’t worry, There will be plenty of independent loons on the ballot fir you to vote for this fall in the general.

There are 1,500 plus people who filed to run.

Perhaps you will vote for Mickey Mouse?

Perhaps for Fidel Castro?

Or perhaps Zorro the Cockroach.


79 posted on 04/12/2016 8:36:21 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: TigersEye

Yep, the guy who turned out to be a fraud.

But hey, that doesn’t stop the loons in here.


80 posted on 04/12/2016 8:38:51 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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