Was Al Gore being stupid with the M-16 Rifle? Was he in Vietnam with it?

Gun Watch ^ | 4 November, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

This famous photograph of Al Gore, was supposedly posted on his web site when he was running for president in 1999.  It has been floating about the Internet ever since.  Many use it to mock Al Gore for his weapon handling skills, or lack thereof; but the weapon handling does not look too bad to me.  There is no magazine in the rifle, so it is likely unloaded, even if the selector switch is on "semi" and not on safe.  The muzzle, on close examination, seems to be pointing to the left (his left) of his head. He seems to be adjusting the sling on the rifle, and it is likely a pose for the photographer.  Some claim that Gore stated that the picture of him was taken in Vietnam.  That is less certain.  Here is a critique by James Welborn at thefireingline.com:

While I laughed until tears were streaming down my face I did not at
that time look very close at the photo until a few days later. This photo
was on Al's own website, supposedly showing Al in Viet Nam. The photo is of Al. But it ain't Viet Nam. Why?...

1. The photo is supposedly Al, out in the, "field". If this is so, why  is his weapon unloaded? And why does he have no ammo at all. If I, as a photog for 25th Infantry attempted to go outside the wire with a patrol, without ammo, two things would happen. First, the team I was going out with would refuse to bring me along. And secondly, I would probably be brought up on charges because such stupidity puts the rest of the patrol in danger.

2. Al has only one canteen. There was no time of year in that area of
Viet Nam where you would not carry as much water as you could with you.  Drinking fountains were thin on the ground in the bush.

3. Al has a rubberized jacket of some sort on, over his fatigues. Aside  from the fact that you would keel over after about 5 minutes wearing such a thing in the heat and humidity of that country, no such thing was issued to troops incountry. Rain cover was provided by a poncho liner and, (a tent half with a hood in the center of it.) Enlisted troops were not authorized to make up their own version of the field uniform. Nor were officers for that matter.

4. Notice in the photo that Al has what looks to be a winter sleeping bag on  his "ruck." Try sleeping in one of these in Viet Nam and you would have a very hot and wet night inside the bag.

5. Wasn't Al supposed to be a journalist or something? But he has no
camera, no cassette recorder. No film. And if he was acting a regular
"grunt," then he would be carrying lots of ammo, both for himself and
for the M-60, belt fed that goes out with any medium to large patrol.

6. No food.

7. No grenades.

8. Maybe in the special forces and seals, an enlisted man would be  allowed to go to the field with a boonie hat on. Nowhere else. Troops were required to wear the steel pot and liner and you could be brought up on charges for not doing so.

Sooooo, this is a photo of Al acting stupid in some basic training  center in the US, where you would go to the field without ammo, water and food, and with clothes that were not authorized for use in Viet Nam. Al is lying again. He might have been in Viet Nam, but this photo was not taken there.

Here is another take:

1. Look at the muzzle brake on the M16A1.
2. Not a bead of sweat on him
3. NO LBE gear on him
4. Look at his haircut
5. Read what James Welborn for the rest.

Others note that it is well known that Al Gore served in Vietnam, and that everyone should be honored for their service.  I agree with that statement, and with the observation that sons of senators are often treated a bit differently than the common soldier.

I do not think it matters much if the picture was taken in Vietnam or not.  Al was in the Army during Vietnam.  He served.  So, he was not a Navy Seal or an Army Green Beret.  Not everyone can be. During Vietnam, I served my tour in California, in an Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation (RDT&E) outfit.  Most of us who served have some photographs that we keep to fondly remember our service.    This is likely one of Al's.

I am glad that he did not become president; but I also appreciate that he served.

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[marktwain]

By "honor him for his service", I mean that it be recognized that he served, and was discharged, honorably.

He should get the same recognition for his service as other veterans, no more, no less.

He deserves plenty of scorn for many other things, of course.

[Smokin' Joe]

There is no magazine in the rifle, so it is likely unloaded,

That assumption has killed innumerable people.

Yep, wherever Al was when that picture was taken, we have been told he served, in whatever capacity. I'm not down on him for that.

He has done plenty since then to be worthy of derision.

[Gaffer]

I’ve seen boonie grass and that background looks like it. Further the author says “look at the muzzle brake” - you can’t see the muzzle break because it has a plastic/nylon cap cover on it! I have a bunch of those for my ARs.

That said, it was dumb to be fiddling with the sling even if there was no magazine in it. The gear? I have no idea what the journalist hooch had in the way of bush gear, but I bet it wasn’t much.

[Kirkwood]

Korea

[donozark]

Maybe there is a canteen on the other side of his ruck, to offset the weight? Also, many troops were in fact issued rubberized rain gear. Most uncomfortable to wear.

[SkyDancer]

I remember reading somewhere that he was only in VN for like six months and during that time he stayed in Saigon and pretty much had his own security; he wasn’t even allowed to go out in the field.

[oh8eleven]

This famous photograph of Al Gore, was supposedly posted on his web site when he was running for president in 1999.
Gheeze, talk about old news. Just WTH is the (original) author's purpose of posting this if he already acknowledges Gore is a 'Nam vet?

[real saxophonist]

I made that picture into a sign with the caption ‘Algore Demonstrates his Knowledge of Firearms Safety’. It was a big hit at the Second Amendment Sisters rally.

[RKBA Democrat]

Those plants in the background look like phragmites (australis). Phragmites looks very “jungle like” but it’s an invasive weed that has been growing in the US for a couple hundred years. There is a lot of it around the Chesapeake bay.

This staged photo could have been taken anywhere. A foggy winter morning in Maryland perhaps?

[Azeem]

“That assumption has killed innumerable people.”

That was my first thought. It’s like some of these writers have never heard of a round in the chamber with the bolt closed and the magazine ejected.

Maybe they only run around with magazine disconnect pistols and have no clue how a rifle works?

[Doogle]

[Doogle]

..here's another for ya..(note finger on trigger)

[smoothsailing]

Taken the same day?

[CondorFlight]

I agree: the gear doesn’t look like anything worn in Vietnam.
It may have been taken elsewhere (stateside?) when he was in training.

But the statement that it was taken “in Vietnam” looked questionable from the first.

[baltiless]

It looks like he’s playing a C chord and yodeling. :)

[smoothsailing]

[Mouton]

Well, one thing for sure, he was not living on his current diet whereever he was.

[Chainmail]

Interesting: never saw anybody loaded up like that the whole time I was in Vietnam! Huge pack, no cartridge belt (which is where you usually carried canteens, med kit, mag pouches - since you dump your pack well before you get shot at) and that absolutely useless rain jacket. Caused instantaneous sweat, stank to high heaven, and made a lot of noise while you were moving.

Algore was a REMF's REMF!

[txrefugee]

Wasn’t his length of “service” FOUR MONTHS before he was back home with a self-inflicted shot to his buttock? Or is that just a joke I heard.

[pepsionice]

With the background....couldn’t this be South Korea? In the early spring or late fall...the jacket would fit with the environment there.