Posted on 10/09/2015 6:02:15 PM PDT by montanajoe
A kid in my daughters sixth grade class blew his brains out last night.
I support the 2nd 100% but I have serious concerns whether we live in a society anymore where the average citizen is capable of responsible gun ownership.
If gun owners keep their heads in the sand and continue to have loaded or easily loaded firearms in their residences, where kids or kids taking any medication coexist then the 2nd is gone within twenty years.
The founders could have never envisioned that there could be a distinction between gun ownership and responsible gun ownership. Yet today distinction is glaring.
The thousands of cuts will end the 2nd unless gun owners get in front of this issue.
“I support the 2nd 100% but I have serious concerns whether we live in a society anymore where the average citizen is capable of responsible gun ownership”
So concerned ping.
This you gotta see.
If for nothing more than the pure cheeky tripe of the above quote.
So why didn’t the parents lock up the gun, or take out the firing pin, as I did when my eldest started acting out?
As for suicide: can you say “copycat”?
Every time the media pushes suicide as a “good” option for problems, or paints a sympathetic picture of someone who killed themself, they are encouraging the young and impulsive to do it.
You nailed it. No sense beating a dead horse.
What are you referencing? Please be specific.
Irresponsible gun ownership has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment either. That amendment grants us the right to bear arms. Nothing is said about being responsible.
Are irresponsible words and hate speech a threat to the 1st amendment. Some are trying to use that as an excuse to limit free speech.
You don’t let the camel get his nose under the Bill of Rights tent. Those rights are unalienable. They are not to be amended, changed nor taken away.
Liked your post as it reflects the simple unawareness of the rest of the world that most here exist in.
I get and agree with almost every argument presented but for the most part they are losing arguments.
Gun ownership means responsible gun ownership as it has meant since the founding.
Losing arguments?
In whose eyes?
How about this: your kitchen is on fire and you need to load the fire extinguisher, but first you need to unlock it and grab its dry chem from separate locked storage...
Nothin new -in 1948 a 7 year-olds kid`s family left to live in Arizona. The kid shot himself, a suicide, coz he missed his school friends.
We are breaking down as a society. It isn’t guns. It’s the lack of morality and the break down of the family.
I lost my father to suicide by a gun. Never once called for a ban on them. He was an alcoholic and depressed for years. Had he not had a gun, he would’ve chosen another method.
We have millions of kids as young as two years old who are taking psychiatric meds. Five year old in docs office this week whose mother was concerned because a psychiatrist had prescribed and child had been taking meds for two years for “profound depression” and he didn’t seem to be getting any better. Kids shooting themselves with a gun is only one of the problems we have.
Blaming guns for lousy parenting is like blaming utensils when those kids get fat.
dear montanajoe,
You don’t see the real problem.
It USED TO BE, “You touch that, and you get a whupping! Don’t even touch it, until I say you can! You ain’t responsible enough and growed up enough to touch it!”
NOW, “Oh! Oh! It’s THE GUN IN THE HOUSE!!! RUN!! IT MIGHT GO OFF AND HURT SOMEBODY!! AAAAAHHHHHH!!!”
Montanajoe is part of the p****whupped metro-males of the new millenium.
Growing up (40 years ago) I knew three kids at my school that were shot and killed. Several years apart.
The first was 10. He lived on my street, on the opposite corner of my block. His older brother shot him in the forehead with a .22 rifle while they were playing William Tell.
The next was a junior high classmate. He, his brother and two buddies were plinking. One got mad at another and the victim’s brother shot another guy in the thigh. The shot guy’s buddy shot the victim in the chest and killed him.
At first, they all conspired to say it was a sniper, but their stories fell apart almost immediately.
The third was a victim of a mass murder. Google Rupert mass murder.
Back then, everybody just shook their heads and said the boys were stupid. And the mass murderer was crazy. Everybody was sad for them. But we didn’t blame the guns. We used to blame the people for making bad decisions or for being mentally ill.
I remembered the losses the same way as I remembered kids dying in traffic accidents or drowning. Sad, somebody did something stupid.
Now, no one talks about the decisions, they just talk about the evil guns. I doubt the numbers of these types of things have changed a lot in 50 years (except in the ghettos where it seems to have gone up a lot.)
But it is all in perception. I don’t think I have swayed in my opinions about the root causes. But the press and half of the government have changed their opinions. Too bad, because it now misses the point: guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
“Rope has no connection to the 2nd Am; irresponsible gun
ownership does indeed jeopardize the 2nd Am. Surely that
point is self-evident?”
Is irresponsible gun ownership any more deadly in casualty rates than irresponsible automobile ownership?
A real liberal would ask himself how society let the suicide down.
You can say the same thing about responsible car ownership, and that's not a literal protected right in our Constitution.
If a kid OD’d on drugs he found, would you be saying this about drugs?
I am very sorry to hear about the tragedy.
That said, the “average gun owner” is very careful about how he/she handles and secures guns. If the average car owner was as cautious as the average gun owner thousands of deaths would be prevented.
It is the few who are extremely below average who are the problem.
As for what the Founders could have anticipated, there were morons and irresponsible fools in the 18th Century as well. But, despite that, the Founders understood how important the right of the people to keep and bear arms is.
The presence of behavioral medication is always present in suicides and these mass killings. No getting away from that fact. Golly, America should look into all these goo-goo pills that are being prescribed to our youth. Sure didn't happen when I was a kid. We're reaping a bitter harvest from decades of prescription behavioral drugs. Every one of these lunatic murderous fiends was prescribed them. I contend it made them worse, right?
I know that very few kids in my elementary school were on behavioral medication including one good friend of mine named Todd, a son of PhD academics. He was mentally brilliant but an overemotional basketcase always on the verge of losing his composure over the simplest little challenges -- like being unable to unlock a backyard gate. Sucked his thumb until he was 14, at least. We all still liked him anyway.
We grew up, he didn't. Todd became a complete liberal-assed gaywad who was into recreational drugs, last time I saw him years ago. I'm pretty sure he'd have killed himself long ago if he had any guts whatsoever.
fuch the writer. we dont give up inalienable’rights because some people are irresponsible with theirs.
millions will fight to the death to secure them. they will otknowmwhat the hell hit them. we will not be nazi germany. we will not be the uk. we will not be australia.
Sterilize everyone, maybe? /s
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