Posted on 10/09/2015 6:02:15 PM PDT by montanajoe
Thanks for your reply. A lot of people have those thoughts when in thier teens or early 20s. I didn’t have access to firearms when I was a kid but there were plenty of other things around. Around the same time my son died, two boys on dirt bikes ran head on into each other on purpose, it was suspected. A friend of theirs then killed himself. His girlfriend went out to the highway and stepped into traffic. It is a hard time for kids even if they are from good homes and not on any meds. Glad you were able to pull out from it. You are right about how it would affect your family.
Sorry to hear this sad news about the child. When your kid is on drugs with no warning of suicidal side effects, people don’t know to hide their guns. If they knew, they would not put their children on the drugs so readily pushed by the “village” on our families.
We know there is an association between school shooters and these drugs. All anyone talks about is “mental illness” and guns. Often the drugs are causing the depression and rage in minors.
You are correct in your fear that the elite will disarm Americans sooner or later. Probably not our generation.
So what would be your suggestion? The 2A stands on its own merit, same as the rest of the BOR.
More kids kill themselves in swimming pools, tubs, buckets or anything that holds water. We should seriously look at societies willingness to pipe water into houses with kids. Water is just wet but responsible water usage is important. If founders could have seen the future of irresponsible water usage they would have addressed it.
Irresponsible voting jeopardizes voting.
Remember, [mental] "healthcare is a right", in the delusional minds of the 0bamacare pushers.
More kids choke to death on marbles or drink drain cleaner every year than shoot themselves with a gun. We are not going to lose the 2nd amendment over your ridiculous argument or any other argument.
In what reality? I have known of kids that very easily hung themselves in a closet with a belt. If someone decides to kill themselves they will do it whether it is with a gun, hanging, slit wrists, drugs from mom and dads or grandparents medicine cabinet, jumping from a building, it doesn't matter they will do it.
It seems you suspect our rights will be taken from us because someone else is a fool or an idiot. Should our homes be taken from us because someone else burned theirs down? Should our Churches be banned because someone else doesn't believe in God? You seem to have no clue about what is a self-evident point.
Do you feel that all the inner-city gun violence in New York, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia or Los Angeles is done by responsible gun owners? Do you feel your daughter's classmate's death should eclipse all the other senseless gun violence in America.
The problem in America today is the acceptance of Postmodernist beliefs that reject reason and truth, instead embracing subjective relativism. Protectors of reality should understand the attack on The Second Amendment is the largest salami slice in the battle to destroy The United States of America. Pick a stand, don't just stand wringing your hands.
When government coerces a disarmed society, that demoralized and disarmed society will tend to commit suicides.
Are you sure itnis the gun or some other issue that is responsible for this kid blowing his brains?
Irresponsible behavior should jeopardize one’s embrace of ideas or attitude profiles that lead to such irresponsible behavior. The gun is just the tool, and it could have been done with a car drunk driving.
Even without the Second Amendment, we would still have a God-given individual right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment is only there to prevent a totalitarian government from violating God’s law, and it is unfortunately not as effective as it was meant to be. Preventing individual methods of suicide is not the government’s role; it’s the job of individual parents.
As a gun owner, I grew up with loaded guns in every room of the house. I knew as far back as I can remember not to stick metal into an outlet, not to touch a hot stove, and not to touch a gun without permission. My kids grew up around guns too, and they were taught to use guns properly at such a young age that they don’t remember learning; they just know.
Our biggest gun rule is not to ever touch a firearm without parental permission. Even my adult children know they are not allowed to touch another person’s guns without individual permission to touch that specific firearm on that specific occasion. The penalty for any gun infraction has always been a ban on touching guns, even with permission, for a year. None of my siblings or kids ever violated a gun rule, not even once.
Suicide by gun? I never worried about it. If a kid wants to succeed, he is likely to use a gun if available. If a kid wants to succeed and a gun is not available, he can use a tall building or jump off an overpass in front of a truck or a train. With a mentally ill child, I would have reacted differently, but in general, it’s a matter of teaching kids, not of trying to lock guns up out of reach.
Suicide success rate by method:
Firearm to head - 97%
Firearm to chest - 90%
Hit by train - 96%
Jump from height - 93%
Hanging 90%
Car crash - 80%
Making firearms unavailable does not make it harder to succeed at suicide. Locking guns up will not force depressed people to try slashing their wrists (6% success) or taking pills (8%) instead. We cannot lock up train tracks or take away gravity. People who want to succeed use methods that work, not methods that are a cry for attention.
I worked as a firefighter for 25 years in a larger city known for its crime problems. I went to many suicides, and even more suicide attempts. It is a sad thing and especially devastating when it is a young person who has done it. A firearm is not the best and most sure way to kill yourself. People botch it up a lot of the time, even people who know a lot about guns and often end up suffering a great deal before they actually do die or end up living permanently screwed up.
Networking and training and joining an NRA safety program are wonderful ideas.
However we will always have stupid. Statistically, exactly half the people out there have less than average intelligence. Luckily, most of them are Democrats and don’t want to own firearms.
The best solution is to enthusiastically punish those who violate the trust implied by the 2nd Amendment. Want to commit violence? Prison. You want to be negligent, stupid, irresponsible with firearms? Lose your rights, maybe prison too.
I have firearms. I have kids. I have a safe and I use it while I train them in safety and proper handling with close observation - but I’m way out on the right side of the curve.
Stupid will always be stupid.
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