Pope: Personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous

YouTube ^ | Dec 7, 2014 | Jesus Norway

[BlackFemaleArmyColonel]

Personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous outside the RCC says pope.

http://popularliberty.com/5516/personal-relationship-jesus-dangerous-says-pope

http://www.worthynews.com/16807-pope-stirs-controversy-amongst-evangelicals

[af_vet_1981]

Luther was not only vulgar. He hated the Jewish people and laid down the blueprint for the Holocaust which the Germans who looked to him as a great leader of the fatherland. If you must pick a hero, pick Baalam/Balaam; at least he is in the Bible by name.

[af_vet_1981]

There is no "personal relationship" found in the Bible. It is a modern convention like personal trainers

[af_vet_1981]

1. Spoken to the apostles, not you personally;
2. Written to the Jews in the Diaspora, not you personally
3. Applies if you are walking in the Spirit, which requires being in love, not enmity, with the one holy catholic apostolic church.

   There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
   Ephesians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses four to six,
   as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[free_life]

John 15, spoken to... every branch v.2 .... whoever abides in me v.5 .... if anyone does v.6 ...love one another v.12&17 ... greater love has no one v.13 .... whoever v.23

I will stick with Jesus Christ’ church where the Holy Spirit shows Himself unlike the institution you are with.

[ShadowAce]

There is no "personal relationship" found in the Bible.

Wow. I'd laugh if that wasn't so sad.

Jonah spoke directly with God--personal relationship.
Job spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Noah spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Moses spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Gideon spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Adam spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Cain spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Paul spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Judas spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Peter spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Samson spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Balaam spoke directly with God--personal relationship
Elijah spoke directly with God--personal relationship

Does speaking directly to another not count as a "personal relationship" in your book?

[free_life]

Does God not speak to you personally?

Does the Word of God not speak to you personally?

Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice.” Are you one of His sheep?

[af_vet_1981]

I don't see your userid in the Bible. As part of your personal relationship, when was the last time God directly and audibly spoke to you as he did the Patriarchs, Prophets, and Apostles ?

And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
Deuteronomy, Catholic chapter thirty four, Protestant verse ten,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[af_vet_1981]

1. God speaks to all people through the holy scriptures, as well as by the Spirit of God convicting consciences.
2. Did you distinguish God from the Word of God accidentally or on purpose ? Do you mean as the Father and the Son, or as the Father and the Bible ?
3. There are not many flocks of sheep; there is one flock and the sheep are related to each other. The sheep that wander off in their own imaginationary personal relationship apart from the flock are scattered and in danger. We know that we are His sheep when we love the brethren. It is a corporate relationship, Klal Israel.

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
John, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seven to eleven,
John, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verses twenty to twenty three
Hebrews, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to three,
First John, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse fourteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[FatherofFive]

Yes, but read the rest of that passage to put it in context.

"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." 16 2 Tim 3:14-15

Now lets look at context and reality:

1. This was written to Timothy
2. Timothy was born in 17 AD
The Scripture Paul is referring to is The Old Testament. The Bible wasn't yet written.

The apostles never assumed that the one Church established by Christ would later be replaced by a book.

[af_vet_1981]

I will stick with Jesus Christ’ church where the Holy Spirit shows Himself unlike the institution you are with.

Since you brought it up, declare your denomination or sect. Which type of faith community do you regularly assemble with ? Anything other than a straightforward answer invalidates the claim you made.

[pbear8]

wholeheartedly agree that the catholic "church" is one of the most corrupt and misleading religious entities in the history of the world.

Over the past 2000 years some of the most brilliant scholars and some of the most humble and pious people on the planet disagree with you but thank you for your Christian charity, may God bless you.

[free_life]

That is your own little personal interpretation....dangerous.

You need the Holy Spirit to understand the Word of God, that is your problem. Those who do not belong to Christ are not able to correctly discern the Word of God.

1 Cor 2:14-16 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

You sure don’t sound like one of Jesus’ sheep nor do you sound like you love Jesus’ sheep, you love your institution, your religion, your traditions, your laws. Jesus know who are His and you think it a sect in Rome...the two don’t fit.

[free_life]

My claim cannot be invalidated, for my claim is Jesus Christ is Lord and I am His property! As for particulars I am Christian, born-again by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, immersed in water as I am in Jesus Christ, baptized in the Holy Spirit, living in daily communion with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Yes that is personal relationship with Jesus, and yes it is dangerous...it will kill you. As the Apostle said, “it is not I who live but Christ Who lives in me!” “I am crucified with Christ!” You and this pope guy should try it!

Our church belongs to Jesus Christ, no denomination. 1 Corinthians 3

[ShadowAce]

I don't see your userid in the Bible. As part of your personal relationship, when was the last time God directly and audibly spoke to you as he did the Patriarchs, Prophets, and Apostles ?

Moving the goalposts? I was responding to your previous statement in Post #242:

There is no "personal relationship" found in the Bible. It is a modern convention like personal trainers

I proved that there were personal relationships in the Bible. Now you go on to something else. Why should I follow? You have now proved that you cannot, or are unwilling to, debate honestly.

[af_vet_1981]

Our church belongs to Jesus Christ, no denomination. 1 Corinthians 3

Your testimony is not credible.

[af_vet_1981]

“Personal relationship” is not found in the Bible.

[af_vet_1981]

You sure don’t sound like one of Jesus’ sheep nor do you sound like you love Jesus’ sheep, you love your institution, your religion, your traditions, your laws. Jesus know who are His and you think it a sect in Rome...the two don’t fit.

Your natural person is attempting mindreading.

[LouAvul]

The people to whom you refer are equally sanctimonious as yourself. No "scholar" could possibly miss the passages in the New Testament that clearly contradict catholic doctrine.

Even the apostle Paul prophesied of the coming formation of the catholic "church" in 1 Timothy 4:

the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats

I grew up in a catholic stronghold and never knew I was eating fish every Friday in school because of religious ignorance.

BTW, conservative Bible scholars often attribute the "man of sin" of 2 Thess 2 as being the pope.

I encourage you to study for yourself what the Bible says you must do to be saved and stop being dictated to by false teachers and pedophiles.

[pbear8]

Apart from my own study of scripture and history, your name calling is such that I would never consider becoming one of you. If you seek to get people on your side perhaps your might moderate your tone and stick to scholarly points.

[rollo tomasi]

Go to Saudi Arabia in 2015 AD (CE for those "Politically Correct) and try to express public support/evangelicalism for Christianity/land for an "institutional" Church then see how long you can keep your head on.

The Spiritual Church is expressed; however Roman Catholicism/Orthodox Church should be always commended for protecting/nurturing the institution of Christianity. I have no qualms with the benefit of the institutionalized Church; however skepticism in the direction that the current leaders guide the laymen should always take priority over blind allegiance.