Posted on 06/20/2015 2:54:05 PM PDT by PROCON
You are the leader of the South haters here buddy since nonsensical got zotted
Don’t go wobbly on us now
Wow, does that mean you’re going to move my name up on your insipid wall of same?
America hater.
“I’m no more a “south hater” than..
...than Obama is an America hater?
Your posts tell a different story, rockrr, unless someone has been hijacking your account for years. This is highly unusual, seeing you disavow South-bashing. Normally you’re loud and proud and leading the pack.
Oh look, it’s lick-spittle boy doing WP’s cleanup work.
I find the Southern Poverty Law Center much more offensive than the Confederate flag.
Like I said earlier, Reno is trying to compensate for his “racist Southern parents.”
He needs to work out his guilt issues personally instead of shoving them off onto the rest of us.
Not much to say except anyone who wants to pull one off the Dobe bitch’s neck is welcome to try.
Does Morris Dees know you talk like that?
Psst, Time. How many Civil War National Battlefields does your beloved Federal Government sponsor, including some (gasp), sites of Confederate victories?
ESAD, SPLC.
The Confederate Flag is not the one they are after. They are after the American Flag, the Stars and Stripes. But they know that they have to get the Confederate Flag first. From watching how they operate, if/when they get the Stars and Bars, the Stars and Stripes will be next. They will use the same argument[s] that they did against the Stars and Bars.
And since the Clinton Regime, a latent extension of the Federal Government.
Thats really the thing about their argument, isn’t it?
They say they are for getting rid of the Confederate flag due to the CSA’s support for slavery. When someone with a bit of knowlege challenges them that it’s not the CSA flag but rather the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, they shift their argument to how it was appropriated by the Klan and segregationists like Howell Heflin (Democrat Governor and Senator).
But they appropriated a lot of other things as well. The American flag, as you pointed out (look at be old early 20th Century pictures of Klan marche. You see US flags, not CSA or ANoV ones), the Christian Cross, etc.
There’s no reason to believe they’ll stop at the ANoV flag. So they need to be challenged about what is next for them.
My Kentucky in-laws are the same. They’ve bought into the whole “white privilege” thing and I’ve caught them trying to pass it along to my kids.
Thankfully my kids are well aware of my side of the family, which had members spread out amongst various PA, IN and NY regiments and included a good number of Abolitionists. And they know that segregation is their grandparents baggage, not theirs.
Just a quick look at Reno indicates a guilt ridden but probably non observant and good works type who lives up north and is youngish and likely single and considers himself urbane
Anyone who equates the South with Nazis is not capable of reasonable discourse
You can sure disagree about causes and strategies but when they do that they show their true colors
Plus he detests Billy Graham
I imagine he is a retread
His whole style here since 2014 is grouchy
Probably a social lib on homosexuals
“Anyone who equates the South with Nazis is not capable of reasonable discourse”
Dwight Eisenhower apparently wouldn’t be approved of by today’s sensitive souls.
Ike, who knew what real Nazis were, (and knew American history as well) prominently displayed portraits of both Lee and Jackson on his office walls.
The South haters we run into are something new. I’m old enough to remember the Centennial of the Civil War and you never heard the sort of stuff we routinely see on this site. Maybe the extreme Left but it wasn’t mainstream in the culture.
Depends on what era you're talking about. Violence during Reconstruction in the South outweighed anything that happened in the North until WWI.
It was also northern industrialist vs southern industrialist and some very rich families fighting for control of even the entire nations business. The industrialized north which had built it's infrastructure on the backs of slave labor were seeing slavery as a liability for them and a threat upcoming southern industries would do likewise building up the south. So they pushed for abolishing slavery. Not out of any moral conscience but rather a business maneuver.
You need to go back to school yourself if you think that the arguments over slavery didn't relate to morality at all. Industrialists weren't the ones driving the debate. A lot of them didn't support either abolition or the war. Ordinary people with opinions played a major role in what was going on, as did preachers, teachers, and journalists.
Slavery had become as much a liability in the north due to cost of upkeep vs automation as a mule to a tractor today. Or as Surface Mining with a smaller crew or a Deep Mine with a large crew. Ever hear of Coal Wars? How about the Coal Creek War which happened long after the Civil War. The late singer Tennessee Ernie Ford sang a song about the realities of a miner called Sixteen Tons. "St Peter dontcha call me cause I can't go, I owe my soul to the company store." Company owned the store, houses, the land, and by low wages vs prices charged in the company store vs paid wages always kept them in debt. It was a time when if you owed money and didn't pay you could be arrested, your possessions sold, and if you were lucky you and family sent to The Poor Farm.
Post Civil War was not good for blacks in the north or the south. Poverty and jobs no one else would do for the wages awaited them. Yeah the north had a heaping helping of morality LOL.
BTW a person could then and still can now understand the Confederate side of the argument of States Rights to self govern, and support it, and still personally be against slavery.
Slavery is stil and has been GOD's refining tool used throughout the history of man for many reasons including a judgement, an adversity given to overcome the adversity by becoming GOD dependent rising up from it, and to even save nations. Read about Israels {Jacob's} son Joseph.
The Bible does not prohibit slavery. In previous times it was an economic necessity. It does however specify the conduct expected of both owner and slave and it is strict but I doubt a few of the Reverends who stir up racial discord amongst Americans have read it. Personally I would never want such responsibility as a slave.
Now to the morality of it all. Men fled the crown and came to The New World in search of freedom to worship GOD as they saw fit. Persecution was common in Europe to those who did not submit to the crowns choice of church such as it was. Eventually a group of men would write the document called The Declaration of Independence and lead colonist into The Revolutionary War to break away from Britain. Their morality for some including owning slaves including one Thomas Jefferson and first POTUS George Washington. GOD Blessed the USA and the Founding Fathers because men sought to abide in His Word. GOD Blessed their efforts and they succeeded.
Slavery? Let's discuss it here a few minutes in a light many never talk about. Slavery brought The Word Of GOD to the slaves. It brought education. Morality? They worked six days a week and attended church from sun up till sundown Sunday evening. This tradition still existed in many predominately black churches likely even into the 1960's.
Which destroyed them? Better still which destroyed this nation? Slavery and relying on GOD for deliverance? Or LBJ's Great Society which replaced GOD, Church, and Family? No not just to the blacks but the white population as well. Both white and blacks came to this nation and many in both races were as such slaves. The whites to the Crown or debt holders the blacks the same then to their owners after the revolution.
BTW what race has been enslaved for the longest in the history of mankind? The most attacked through out recorded history? The most persecuted? That race still faces such today and you'll have to look hard in the media too find and news about it except to make that race as one who always is at fault in the eyes of the world governments just as The Bible has predicted, the media, and our current POTUS. That race BTW contributed a substantial amount of funding to fund the Revolutionary War. One man to be specific died broke because the new U.S. government did not repay it's war debt. He was a man Washington knew as well as Madison. It was a man who helped arrange for a large amount of the money needed to buy this nations freedom and fund the Continental Army. I bet you most professors of history teaching post WW2 revisionist history can't name the man. Can you? :>} He doesn't appear in public school history books either as far as I know. Yet his race from Egypt to the Roman Empire, to the USA either in labor or later funding in the case of the USA built great nations.
Yeah it is one race the poverty pimps pushing racial division like to use blame on their races woes on.
Morality? Hum we ignore The Bible and today our elected leaders join in a persecution of a nation and race which history says time and time again leads to the fall of those who attack that people.
Today our nations is in a downward spiral. A cultural revolution began by Marxist back in the 1930's started it. That revolution has destroyed black and white families as well as morality once held by both. It has inflicted far more damage morality and lives lost than the The Civil War did in terms of death of innocents as well and lowered national morality. But the Confederate Flag is the enemy? Yes so sayeth the Marxist Professors and their gullible sheep and a few rich race baiting reverends making massive fortunes off of it. What race do they hate most? Think long and hard on that one.
The Republican Party was born as a Liberal Party few realize that about it and it has returned to it's roots as such. It was born of a party of strong central government literally overseeing what until that time had been states sovereign rights and powers. Honest Abe shredded the Constitution of the USA and set the course for Socialist like FDR, LBJ, and finally Obama, to lead this nation into it's days of self destruction.
Slavery would have died probably sooner and with less damage and harm to all by simply allowing the economics of it to make it profitable and a liability. Honest Abe in a hurry to appease economic factions caused a disaster for all.
POTUS Elections have been brokered by very rich men's money since the 1860's with a few exceptions. We're losing the war of morality but it isn't a black and white issue except in the sense we as a nation have chose to ignore the black & red typed words placed on white sheets of paper we call The Bible and let government dictate new morality just as the Marxist in power of it now dictate. You think all the attention to the Confederate Flag is driven by blacks? No! Who is beating it into their heads over and over that they are victims? We as a nation don't hear about black preachers and black politicians pushing for personal responsibility and a return to morals. They are called Uncle Toms. We instead hear the ones who for personal profit joined the side of Cultural Marxism destroying this nation. If the US returned to the standards of Morality of the early 1800's we would not be in this huge mess we are in.
If somebody told you that they were going to take over and run your life for your own good, you might object and rebel.
Why be surprised when other people don't go along with plans to run their lives for them if you wouldn't submit to such plans yourself?
Slavery would have died probably sooner and with less damage and harm to all by simply allowing the economics of it to make it profitable and a liability.
Nobody had a crystal ball that was going to tell them, say, that years after the Civil War -- because of Civil War and fears of a cotton shortage -- people all over the world would be growing enough cotton to depress the price. Nobody had a crystal ball to tell them that 80 -90 years after the Civil War, cotton production would be mechanized.
People rely on the information they have at the time. Somebody could tell you that whatever it is that you fear or hate now will go away on its own because of economics. You wouldn't believe them. And you'd be right not to, since nobody can predict the future that well.
These stinking Cultural Marxist Bastards are destroying the nation because not agreeing with them or some other made victim by media and government decree group may offend their victimhood. That doesn't take a Crystal Ball to see it happening.
This is a excerpt from an essay written by Bill Lind on Cultural Marxism
Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning – the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it – where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.
We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?
We call it “Political Correctness.” The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.
If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.
The rest of the essay can be found here. The origins of political correctness
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