Posted on 05/26/2015 4:07:33 PM PDT by Sean_Anthony
So while Josh Duggar may be a hypocrite who needs to face up to the consequences of his actions, the radical "freethinker" community is really the last group of people who have any business pointing it out
By now, many readers have probably heard about the recent revelation that Josh Duggar, the oldest son of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting fame, has admitted to molesting some young girls a decade ago when he was a teenager. The information about this came out recently when a heavily redacted police report from 2006 was released by In Touch Weekly detailing the incidents. Duggar has since apologized for the acts, even as the scandal has grown and the Duggar’s television show has been pulled from TLC.
I have no interest here in defending Josh Duggar or his family—even though he was a teenager, Josh still committed terrible crimes against several young girls, and it appears that his family was complicit in trying to cover up the series of incidents so that scandal didn’t brew. They all should have faced the consequences for their actions, which would most likely entail jail time, both for the molestation itself as well as the act of interfering with an investigation. And while I firmly believe that God’s grace can cover all the sins of any who repent, at the same time, Scripture clearly teaches that we must face the earthly consequences of our actions—even when the perpetrator is a professing Christian who has repented and been forgiven. Jesus is not a “get out of jail free” card and treating Him that way for purposes of political expediency is an insult to the Saviour.
MrEdd I just can’t believe this is conservative forum. FReepers here actually think it’s okay for a 14 year old boy to touch his sisters in a sexual manner.
I didn't even come close implying that, you disgusting POS.
The fact is, you ignorant baboon, that when young teens do something like this, they are often NOT prosecuted because they are young and because most are not pedophiles.
There is a reason why, nit wit, children are treated differently than adults in our criminal justice system.
The local DA, BTW, could have prosecuted in 2006 and didn't. The statue of limitations on criminal sexual assault is seven years in Arkansas. This situation was handled like most involving young teens.
Then you should have no problem in inviting him over for a sleep over with your daughters this weekend.
As the old country western song said, “God may forgive you, but I don’t. Jesus may love you, but I won’t.”
Where have you been? Have you never read anything about this behavior before?
All the psychological literature spells out deviant behavior and NO CURE. It would be a far less time consuming task to try to find even one reputable source that would portray what is described in the police report as a mere “phase” of childhood or a treatable disorder.
Search the web and you can get a variety of opinion as to source of deviance but no variation in the abnormality of such behavior or its incurable, damaging nature.
Rather than cite studies to look up, I’ll use a recent distillation that captures the gist of such studies.
“ Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.”
SNIP
“Not all pedophiles molest children. Nor are all child molesters pedophiles. Studies show that about half of all molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims. They often have personality disorders or violent streaks, and their victims are typically family members.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
Look at prison data. Look at psychological studies. They portray deviant behavior emerging at puberty and remaining resilient against treatment. Pedophilia or personality disorder - there’s no known cure. And Josh wasn’t treated anyway.
“I would say the quickness that the record that still existed was destroyed means it was supposed to be expunged under an existing order. “
Are you reporting that as fact?
I read that the report was expunged because one of the victims who is still a minor requested it.
I think that it is pretty clear what happened (I also read the police report). Whether you chose to accept the facts or not really is of no consequence to me.
It would be unusual for an expungement order to go through quickly unless an expungement order already existed and was performed or a court agreement to seal and expunge records existed. The fact a picture exist that a third party requested the expungement of this record as victim janedoe1 would not exclude a Juvenile record already being expunged. Juvenile law is different from adult law. I don’t know that happened. If it did happen it would resolve why this record didn’t generate charges as some people who write they read it and think should have happened. Other people write this police report was redacted so that they don’t know the extent of the molestation. I don’t trust the media at all on this. I doubt damage Josh did to his victims will compare to what media is going to do even though Josh caused it to happen. I’ll wait for the book now to come out.
I don’t think predisposition is as a big a factor as I think you think it is. You know since psychology has been such an exact science and all normalizing homosexuality so we get people saying things like “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual and…deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose…Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality…we must do it for the children’s sake.”.
No thank you. I’ll side with the confessing, repentant Josh Duggar.
You may be interested in this development.
Fourteen and fifteen isn’t that young.
It’s highschool.
And he kept at it for a year.
No, teenagers that old don’t just do crap like this to prepubescent kids with a single digit age.
It takes an extremely nasty pervert to excuse that.
Then, why does our criminal justice system treat those that age differently than adults?
That is, after all how this became public.
The Duggars delayed reporting this and pulled strings to keep it from being handled by the adult courts to keep Josh out of jail.
So you have a non point.
And, because they pulled strings to keep it from going to court the records were not automatically sealed. That's why all of this was auto be to come out. Manipulating the system prevented the sealing of records which would have automatically happened to protect the girls.
Following the law by all parties would have been a better course, but the Duggar family chose not to.
Do you have example of a 15-year old sent to prison for sexual assault in Arkansas or anywhere else?
The dirty little secret is that the local DA could have prosecuted Dugger in 2006 and passed on doing so. That statute of limitations in that state is seven years on criminal sexual assault.
This is an interesting read.
http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV171.pdf
Juveniles Who
Commit Sex Offenses
Against Minors
I will stand by decades of research on pedophiles rather than a protected TV personality.
It’s ok. You can be wrong on the definition of pedophile cause puberty is not adult and weather some one is protected a court expunged the record.
err whether
I don’t have a TV and I don’t follow shows like the Duggars. It isn’t personal for me, I just don’t see why anyone would set aside psychological research and expert consensus just because this guy is “famous” and “seems” like such a fine person. Despite their evil actions, pervs can seem 100% normal and even likable (Cosby) in the rest of their lives. Even J Duggar said his actions were inexcusable, so I don’t mind not excusing him from normal standards of conduct.
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