Mountain Lion Shot: Death Necessary

Gun Watch ^ | 18 March, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

A young mountain lion had taken up residence under a farm porch in Nebraska.  Nebraska has a growing population of lions.  As with most predators, when the young reach adolescence, they are driven from the territories of their parents.  The choice is stark, the proverbial natural order without food stamps, or magical lemonade springs.  Find their own territory with enough prey animals to kill and eat; or starve.  Most starve.

This lion was a bit smaller than most adolescents.  Perhaps its mother had been killed in a fight with another lion, or had been fatally wounded by a deer that decided not to be dinner.   Some friends of mine, decades ago, were running an early mountain lion study.  One of their lions, with a tracking collar, had stopped moving.  When  they investigated, they found that the animal had impaled itself, mouth first, on a jagged branch.  It was likely pursuing dinner at the time.  Animal accidents are much more common than most people realize.  There is no OSHA or workers comp in the natural world.

For whatever reason, this cat was on his own, and he decided to take up residence under a farmer's porch.  The farmers tried to chase him off, but he would not give up his new territory.  They were forced to shoot him.  There was no real alternative.  From jrn.com:

WHITECLAY, Neb. (KMTV)- A young male mountain lion has been fatally shot in northwestern Nebraska according to the Game and Parks Commission.

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A spokesperson for the commission says the homeowner and neighbor were working outside when they heard growling from under the farmhouse's porch. He says the cougar was shot when the two couldn't get the animal to leave the property.

Animals always produce more offspring than can be fed.  Some animals have to die so that others can live.  Death is necessary for life.  Is a mountain lion more deserving of life than the rabbit, deer or house cat that it kills to eat, so that it can survive?  It is a foolish question.

Long study of eco-systems show that the idea of a "balance of nature" is a myth.  There are feedback loops that mostly keep everything from dying off all at once, but the process is bumpy, dynamic, and the mix of species constantly changing.  Everything dies in the end.  The most that can be hoped for is that offspring have been produced and survive to produce their own.

Some commenters at the article seem to think that nothing ever has to die.  From Marlene Scott:

Why couldn't this baby cougar have been tranquilized and then removed from the property? He couldn't have been an imminent threat considering his size and age! The homeowner should have called the sheriff before killing the 4 month old cougar to at least attempt to have the cat tranquilized. Very sad.

The cat was 40 lbs, probably very hungry, and desperate. Marlene likely does not know that a large percentage of "tranquilized" animals die in the process, and that the "relocation" of predators has a very high casualty rate.   All of these alternate "solutions" take lots of time, money, and other resources. Marlene gets lot of feedback.  From Adam Stohs:

 Apparently everyone thinks a mountail lion is a cute cuddly little fur ball. They are not ferocious killers either, and deserve their place. That being said, there is a reason why it was under the PORCH of a HOUSE!!! Either it was sick and had some disease, or its mother was dead. Its only 4 months old people! Cubs stay with their mothers for at least a year! It had moved into that dwelling because it was desperate, and a desperate predator is a bad situation. The article said they tried to make it leave, it wouldn't go. They took the threat into their own hands, and in my opinion made the right call. I'd about be willing to put a hundred dollar bill on the table Game and Parks would have shot it to.

If people tried to care for all the animals that are born, they would quickly be impoverished by the sheer mass of animal freeloaders willing to accept free food.  That is why millions of dogs and cats have to be destroyed in shelters each year.  Give out free food and care, and the animals just produce more animals until they overwhelm the system.  The classic illustration of this for a nation raised on television, is "The Trouble with Tribbles".   Except, there isn't any handy Klingon battle cruiser to "transport" them to.  Even if there were,   the tribbles transported would not survive for long.

Everyone knows of the local "cat lady" that cannot say "no" to taking in cats, until they overwhelm her resources.

Man has formed symbiotic relationships with the animals that we have domesticated.  They live relatively pleasant, danger free lives up until we humanely kill them for our needs.   The modern hunter harvests prey with much less pain and terror than other predators do.

Some people live in a fantasy bubble where nothing ever has to die, no one has to make hard choices, and every ending is a happy ending.  They are only allowed these delusions by the work of people who do the hard deeds that they are incapable of.

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[marktwain]

In any earthly eco-system, there is one death for every life. One cannot exist without the other.

[Uncle Miltie]

“Mountain Lion Shot: Death Necessary”

For the Lion or Shooter?

[SMARTY]

I think even a starving, underweight mountain lion would be dangerous to a human.

If it was frightened (and it had to be), then that makes the cat even more dangerous and desperate.

[GraceG]

Paws up, Don’t Shoot!

[defconw]

Probably something wrong with it anyway. They don't go out of their way to be around people.

[dowcaet]

“Mountain lion lives matter.” He was only an adolescent. He had dreams of going to college. Totally unnecessary, huh Marlene?

[boycott]

You see this recent video of the mountain lion attacking Doberman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9JtZ9hOq6Q

[QBFimi]

No alternative?

Well, not for do-gooders, anyways.

Dart the critter, then while he is conscious but immobile, bet the crap out of him. (A broken rib or two - the gift that keeps on giving - is a plus.)

Then, chuck him in the back of a pickup, haul him out in the woods and dump him. (Well, in this case, I guess it’s got to be the WPA created Nebraska National “Forest”.)

Before leaving Mr. Kitty, apply a second beating, then liberally apply a coat of human urine and feces. That way, humans smells become associated with “From now on, I’m gonna give those two legged animals a wide berth.”

Of course, do-gooders would never think of doing that to any of Mother Nature’s creatures. They’d rather kill the beast, then blame us for encroaching on their territory.

[trisham]

Life is hard.

[OregonRancher]

Old age isn’t found in nature.

[Boogieman]

An another aspiring feline rapper struck down in his prime!

[GraceG]

[ One of their lions, with a tracking collar, had stopped moving. When they investigated, they found that the animal had impaled itself, mouth first, on a jagged branch. It was likely pursuing dinner at the time. Animal accidents are much more common than most people realize. There is no OSHA or workers comp in the natural world. ]

We need a government agency to prevent animal accidents!!!!

How can a Bear Sh!t in the woods if there is a not a Bear Port-a-Potty every 100 yeards in the woods?

[trisham]

Yes, quite right.

[marktwain]

A mountain lion would be highly unlikely to survive the treatment that you suggest. Why bother?

[Eagles6]

SSS.

[Sequoyah101]

It is not just animal free loaders that over populate given the opportunity to live freely. Replace “animal” with your favorite antagonist specie.

“If people tried to care for all the animals that are born, they would quickly be impoverished by the sheer mass of animal freeloaders willing to accept free food. That is why millions of dogs and cats have to be destroyed in shelters each year. Give out free food and care, and the animals just produce more animals until they overwhelm the system. The classic illustration of this for a nation raised on television, is “The Trouble with Tribbles”. Except, there isn’t any handy Klingon battle cruiser to “transport” them to. Even if there were, the tribbles transported would not survive for long.”

[gundog]

Old age isn’t found in nature.

I know a guy that was studying a doe through his scope...Oregon coast...when a bit of grass moved. He checked it out, and a lion jumped out and missed the doe. He figured he'd move along, and when he got to a logging road, the lion jumped down to it, caught sight of him and dropped to a crouch and came toward him. Dude dropped to his knee and popped the lion. State Police said it was old, and probably not very good at hunting by that time. Also, a government trapper told me he's never found a cat without significant numbers of porcupine quills in its' hide.

[riverrunner]

That’s why lions are hunted with a pack of hounds.

[PLMerite]

We could have had a lot more fun with this thread if that headline had said “cougar” instead of “mountain lion.”

[QBFimi]

>> A mountain lion would be highly unlikely to survive the treatment that you suggest.

I said “beat the crap out of the lion”, not bring the beast near death. They are dim-witted killing machines, but just like with your fuzzy little kitty-cat, a good thrashing will get their attention and produce an experience-based outcome. If it doesn’t work, no problem - kill it...

>> Why bother?

Cuz’ if he stays where he belongs - in the backwoods wilderness - who cares? The Gummn’t (Park Service, etc.) and fuzzy brained lefties have owned his discussion for far, far too long. If we TRY it this way, and the beast survives, do-gooders are happy, no little kids who run ahead of mommies and daddies on hikes are eaten, and us conservationists are too.

For your research:

1/ Find a copy of “The beast in the Garden” by David Baron
2/ Google up “Scott Lancaster Idaho Springs Colorado”. (A high school track star who was killed and eaten by a lion on a winter afternoon.)