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Goodbye, M9?
wsj ^ | 2/5/2015 | F Jardim

Posted on 02/05/2015 9:42:54 AM PST by w1n1

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To: Chainmail
H&K USP Compact 9mm That's my personal pistol of choice. I love it. Rugged, looks great, and fits my hands perfectly. /9mm hollow points
21 posted on 02/05/2015 12:26:06 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. ItÂ’s been found hard and not tried')
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To: gundog

They all came with the magazine safety as far as I know, The one on mine was removed post purchase, intentionally, ( wow, am I going to hear blowback on that).


22 posted on 02/05/2015 12:38:06 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: gundog

My Hungarian HP had the magazine safety which I immediately removed. My BHP is too valuable to shoot, but I will if my life was on the line.


23 posted on 02/05/2015 1:06:55 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: OneWingedShark

There’s a reason that ammo is primarily intended for use in a high-capacity full-auto bullpup. Only reason to carry a Five-seveN is to fight your way back to the FN P90 you had no reason to put down.


24 posted on 02/05/2015 7:19:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: w1n1; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


25 posted on 02/05/2015 7:21:28 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: ctdonath2
There’s a reason that ammo is primarily intended for use in a high-capacity full-auto bullpup. Only reason to carry a Five-seveN is to fight your way back to the FN P90 you had no reason to put down.

I have a PS-90, I don't have a Five-seveN.
My comment should be read with the thought needs more gun-porn ringing in the back of your head.
;)

26 posted on 02/05/2015 8:13:57 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ro_dreaming

To each his own, my friend - it’s a high-quality, accurate pistol.

Me, I’m Old School: wood and steel baby! If somebody made me carry a 9mm, I’d pick a nice P08 Luger - maybe an American Eagle Commercial with the grip safety. Self-defense doesn’t have to boring..!


27 posted on 02/06/2015 8:34:42 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; gundog

Gentlemen: I know the removing the magazine safety improves the trigger pull with the Browning but it’s a great feature to keep.

Back when I deployed a lot with the wife left home with two kids, the Browning was the House Gun. I trained her with it extensively and we kept it on top of the refrigerator, round in the chamber, hammer cocked and magazine out. Safe and inert as an iron, if the kids got a hold of it. My wife kept the magazine on her - all she had to do was insert it and fire. Fast and easy.

The Browning Hi-Power is also the only handgun that I know of where you can chamber a round one-handed by pushing the muzzle against a table or a door frame.


28 posted on 02/06/2015 8:46:17 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/sig-sauer-10mm-p220-pistols-10mm-elite-performance-ammo/


29 posted on 02/06/2015 8:56:31 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: ßuddaßudd; OneWingedShark

—always amused by this European “toy” , chambered for a rimless cartridge with slightly lesser ballistics than the near 90 year old .22 Hornet-—


30 posted on 02/06/2015 10:03:25 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
—always amused by this European “toy” , chambered for a rimless cartridge with slightly lesser ballistics than the near 90 year old .22 Hornet-—

To be fair, it [the P-90] is great at what it was designed to be: a rifle for tankers (and logistics/rear-echelon personnel, IIRC).
It's small/compact, easy to clean, and easy to maintain.

(The small/compact nature also makes it suitable for CQB like room-/building-clearing.)

31 posted on 02/06/2015 10:14:28 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Chainmail

Standard 1911’s are pretty reliable but I have seen many failures over the years.

And the .45 is a good round but many people have been shot repeatedly with .45, in the torso, who didn’t go down.

I think we should run tests on gitmo detainees using .45 and .40 ball and see how much difference in ‘stopping power’ there is. You can stuff far more rounds of .40 in a mag than .45 cal and I would personally trade a bit of ‘stopping power’ for many more rounds.

To me - stopping power is severing the spine at the base of the skull anyway.


32 posted on 02/06/2015 12:59:56 PM PST by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: OneWingedShark

—agree—I felt about 50 years ago the the bullpup style would be great in military rifles—


33 posted on 02/06/2015 2:26:27 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776
When one is limited to ball it does make .45 more attractive though.

Yes, this is a military problem with 9mm not a civilian one. There are plenty of 9mm rounds that will perform and one still be able to carry more rounds. Unless civilian carry will be ruled by NATO agreements, 9mm has the best of both worlds.

34 posted on 02/06/2015 3:27:18 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: QuisCustodiet1776

I think that the standard government-issued 1911A1 with ball ammo is the most reliable weapon system ever made. I’ve seen ‘em covered with scale rust, mud, and more and always function.

I have only seen five people hit by .45s but they all died.


35 posted on 02/06/2015 3:55:27 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SpaceBar

Get an updated 1911 and be done with it.

L


36 posted on 02/06/2015 4:05:02 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: w1n1
Why mess around? Go big or go home.


37 posted on 02/06/2015 4:06:01 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
If a 9MM is what they want you still can’t beat the Browning Hi-Power.

Actually, a lot of aircrew and special warfare in the Navy carry the Sig P228, aka M11. It's also 9mm but a damn fine pistol.

38 posted on 02/06/2015 4:07:36 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Mastador1

No blowback from me.
I can’t stand mag safeties.


39 posted on 02/06/2015 4:10:30 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Vote fraud solution: Stake, Rope, Sugar and Bullet Ants.)
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To: w1n1

They need a 10mm automatic. With the capacity of the 9mm and the terminal energy of the .41 magnum, it’s hard to find a better combat cartridge, but they’ll pick another underpowered POS.


40 posted on 02/09/2015 11:06:12 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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