Posted on 01/25/2015 12:38:08 AM PST by IChing
I would agree with most of the analysis....although ‘cult’ probably fits as well or better than Manson family. If you write down the ten requirements to be a cult...all ten fit in this case. I’d also agree that if all Muslims sat down...read the actual history (from their own trilogy) and thought about it without scholarly type figures telling what to think...they’d all say that ‘number one’ was not the kind of person they’d want as a prophet or visiting the house while their ten-year old daughter was there.
Muhammed was a deranged man. He concocted this whole lie to fool people. He was no different than Jim Jones,...
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or Joseph Smith..
Mo and his cave, Joey and his grove....
Mohammad was Joey’s idol and in 1838 Joey wanted to be the “2nd Mohammad”..”Joseph Smith or the sword...
He was known as the “American Mohammad” ...
Hmmmm...
And in fact, satanic cult is most appropriate. The voice in the head of the prophet and the modern “radical” followers is satan. None other can twist reality and deceive humans as the enemy.
Here’s the real gimmick of this cult...the prophet says...he’s the LAST one. There are to be no more. This might work in 700 AD, but we are at 2015. What happens in the year 3000? Still admitting that one-last-prophet routine?
It bothers me too.....that people seize up on the cartoon business of the prophet. To be honest....If I count up all Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Catholic prophets...it’s at least fifty. All should get some special status, or NONE.
...”in fact, satanic cult is most appropriate.....The voice in the head of the prophet and the modern “radical” followers is satan”.....
And they also “see” spiritual entities the deeper they go into the darkness of Islam. Which can and does happen i other cults....either unwillingly or willing engaging with them.
Being raised to hate gives the enemy ground to further mislead these people....Islam teachings and the parents who raise these kids robe them early on of the personalities God intended them to have.
BTW similar happens in Buddism and Hinduism though those religions simply leaves them mindless and without ambition nor purposeful lives.....their country reveals this. The reason there are improvements in the country is they have to bring in outside workers and dependent on, I’m speaking mainly of India......
To compare the threat that Islam poses to mormonism is ridiculous and distracts from the threat of Islam. both are lies imo but there are no Mormons bombing us daily as Islamics are. I would rather move to Utah than Iran or Saudi Arabia if I had to.
The goal of Islam is world domination . And Islam is already taking over Europe and the rest of the world is next.
I never mentioned Islam or Mormonism..
I was comparing Joseph Smith to Mohammad..
He wasn’t mentioned by the author..
Smith was the one who said he wanted to be like Mohammad..
and he was..in many ways..
Here ya go...
“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.
•Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
•Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer.
Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
•Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
•As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
•Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
•Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
•Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
•Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
•Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
•Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.
[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.
The goal of Islam is world domination
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What do you think Joseph Smith’s was ???
He crowned himself “king of the world” and declared war on America..he made demands on Congress and threatened them with destruction for ignoring him..
His private army had more than 5,000 well trained vigilantes (his “avenging angels”)at a time when the US Army numbered only 8,000 that were spread thinly throughout the states and territories..
Or L.Ron Hubbard
Conflating Charlie Manson with Allah’s execrable Prophet gives too much credit to the latter.
Hopefully, Mittens fades early, if he actually gets in, and your horse gives out and isn't fun to ride anymore.
This a thread about Islam and you try to distract from it by trying to hijack the thread by talking about mormonism. so you aid Islam.
you are on ignore.
And yet given all this info, seemingly “intelligent” people belong & convert to these “religions.” I’ll never understand that .
BFL
Actually the article is about people like Mohammad and unlike the men in the examples given, Joseph Smith did want to be Mohammad...
So?
They have to fight Mormons over it!
Mormonism claims OTHERworldy domination!!
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