Posted on 02/23/2014 3:09:07 PM PST by butterdezillion
Have you looked at the ABC videos at 1/8th speed?
Thank you for the correction. Turns out I misunderstood what my source was telling me.
So we’ve got 2 accounts of who alerted the rescue crews to the crash. Miller says a navy helicopter was doing touch-and-goes and reported it. Lang says he just happened to be flying there at the time and reported it (getting a photo while the trail of the plane in the water was still there).
Discrepancies in the stories. They’re all over the place. And a LOT of coincidences, as well as a lot of stuff in the water that doesn’t appear to fit the narrative.
OK, I was finally able to zoom in. It’s grainy but there’s something there that could be the airport and a runway. I’ve updated my blog post to say that my question has been resolved. Both images show the airport with differing degrees of clarity. The plane drifted between the time the 2 photos were taken.
Thank you for resolving that question for me.
Part of the problem is we waaaaaaaaaaaay too many people here that watch shows like CSI and believe the hollywood crap with respect to image manipulation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=181#181
I posted a very clear image of the airport back in January 6, and a link that shows when there’s someone in attendance.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PHLU
Attendance: MON-FRI 0700-1530
“Lang says he just happened to be flying there at the time and reported it”
No, Lang was told by the tower to look for it as an ELT had gone off.
“Lang and Thomson were on their way to visit friends in Maui and had contacted the Moloka’i tower for clearance just before 3:30 p.m. Wednesday. They say the tower operator asked if they were able to hear an “ELT” or Emergency Locator Transmitter. They tuned into the signal, but it was faint so they say they began searching for it and scanning the area for wreckage.”
It doesn’t say whether someone told the tower or the tower heard it on there own.
As far as Lang contacting the tower for clearance which you seem to think is suspicious, maybe he does that out of habit or he was following good practice.
BTW, Lang may have taken individual still pictures but he also took video. Look at Post 684, those are screen shots I took from his video.
Where did you see his video?
He happened to be flying in the area, and managed to find the crash while the trail of the landing was still showing in the water. Really good coincidental timing.
this is the second time I’ve gone back to look for the source of that video...I posted it an reply to a similar question just yesterday iirc.
excerpt:
Lang and Thomson were on their way to visit friends in Maui and had contacted the Moloka’i tower for clearance just before 3:30 p.m. Wednesday. They say the tower operator asked if they were able to hear an “ELT” or Emergency Locator Transmitter. They tuned into the signal, but it was faint so they say they began searching for it and scanning the area for wreckage.
The couple says they reached Kalaupapa about five minutes later and spotted something in the water off the North-West tip of the peninsula near the beginning of runway 5.
“As we approached the object in the water, we quickly realized that it was an aircraft and flew down lower to look for people in the water. We verified the tail number of the aircraft and that there were nine people in the water,” the couple wrote in a statement provided to Hawaii News Now.
SEE THE VIDEO AT THE LINK ABOVE
1. The bump on top isn’t square with the rest of the plane, its shadow is at a different angle than either the open door or the registration letters (so we’ve got at least 3 different shadow angles that I can see), and it is in the wrong place for how the 2 bumps are supposed to fall. So it’s not even just a matter of the 2nd bump not showing - not only does the 2nd bump not show, the bump that does show is in the wrong place.
2.The bump where the tail attaches is not centered.
3. The “turbulence” spills over onto parts of the plane that aren’t supposed to be in the water: on the plane’s left side where the tail attaches, there is what is supposed to be shadow but as it approaches the horizontal part of the tail (which is supposed to be sticking up out of the water) the shadow gradually evolves into “turbulence like somebody C&P’ed a patch of “turbulence” there and wasn’t sure when to have the shadow end and the “turbulence” begin. On the plane’s right tailpiece, where the cylindrical shape at the end is (strobe light?), the “turbulence” creeps into the cylindrical shape there.
4. There is a very square patch of turbulence that aligns with the dark strip on the vertical part of the tailpiece, even though there would be nothing there to cause that turbulence. I printed this photo out so I could do some measuring and it immediately leaped out at me how square the “turbulence” is there.
5. On the left side of the fuselage, to the aft of the wing, there is a rounded lip as if to make a contour around the window frame, but on Puentes’ photos it is perfectly smooth - no lip at all. And a rounded line in the equivalent place on the right side is also there.
6. The cabin of the plane just disappears suddenly after the wings which are clear as can be. There’s a blur after a bit but if you trace the body of the plane there is a place where there is the very clear wing, followed by nothing, followed by haze that is supposed to be the submerged nose. There’s not a gradual fading of the clarity because of the water’s depth; there is a sudden spot where there’s nothing.
7. The 3 black dots between the window and the door are odd, and the front one of those actually falls where the frame of the window should be.
8. There is shadow on the sun side of where the tailpiece attaches to the body of the plane, on the plane’s right side. The only thing that could possibly make that shadow is the plane’s right side of the horizontal tailpiece but in order for that to make that shadow the sun would have to be lower on the horizon than that horizontal tailpiece - a very difficult thing to do given that the “turbulence” reaches into the end piece of that horizontal tailpiece. And according to the NTSB the plane sank after 25 minutes, so before 4pm. The Puentes video shows a sun high in the sky rather than low on the horizon.
Thanks. I read the article and looked at the photos but either didn’t realize there was video of Lang in the video of the broadcast or wasn’t able to view the video.
He was flying from Honolulu to Maui and checked in with Kalaupapa tower. Nothing suspicious about that.
And yes, coincidences do happen.
I suspect that if no one had been flying in the area you would call that suspicious.
You say that Mark Miller dropped Fuddy and Yamamoto off at the airport - what time was that? After picking them up in the morning and spending all day with them, did he just drop them off and leave or did he stay and watch the plane take off?
And don’t just speculate or say “he would have...” answer with actual facts.
The video I took the screen shots from are part of this news report (there are two small snippets):
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24265511/ntsb-gets-first-look-at-salvaged-airplane
The first snippet starts at 1:20 and the second starts at 1:37.
I asked first. You tell me.
Two coincidences. A navy helicopter right there, right then - from Oahu.
And Josh Lang right there, right then when the trail was still fresh in the water - from Oahu.
But the Coast Guard, from Oahu, took over an hour to get there with their helicopters and speedboat, which we have no record of ever arriving and no photos of.
And the FAA’s legal department in DC claims they can’t let anybody see/hear the radio communications because there is a law enforcement investigation. NTSB is not law enforcement so what investigation are they talking about? Does somebody in law enforcement suspect foul play?
Look at the photo in Fred’s post (692) - how many bumps do you see on the plane?
Don’t include the tip of the left wing.
“He happened to be flying in the area, and managed to find the crash while the trail of the landing was still showing in the water. Really good coincidental timing.”
You need to stop inventing false stories like that. Lang and Thomson were enroute to Maui when they contacted the Molokai Tower to obtain clearance for their flight plan, as is normal when operating in that airspace. The Molokai Tower was automatically notified by the ELT signal broadcast by the emergency locator transceiver aboard the Cessna 208B on or immediately about 1522 Hours. Lang was not made aware of the ELT signal and did not change his course to search for the downed Makani Kai aircraft until after the Molokai Tower requested the search at just before 1530 Hours. Lang stated their search took about 5 minutes before they sighted the Cessna 208B and survivors floating in the sea. The “trail” you misleadingly imply was the wake of the Cessna 208B made as it ditched in the sea is nothing of the sort. The “trail” is instead the volatile oil and aviation fuel leaking from the damaged engine making a film and sheen on the surface of the sea for about the previous 13 minutes.
You have been properly alerted to this information in previous posts, yet you persist in propagating false and misleading statements to further a bizarre conspiracy theory flatly impeached by the clear and reasonable evidence. Instead of searching for the truth, you have been inventing falsehoods and denying the truth whenever the truth gets in the way of your falsehoods. This had destroyed your credibility, the credibility of your past works, and damaged the credibility of the people doing honest work to put the evidence of Obama’s fraudulent birth certificate and other fraudulent identity documentation into evidence. Now you can go ahead and deny all of that to your heart’s content, but doing so is not going to restore your lost credibility with anyone but syncophants whose loyalty to you has caused them to lose sight of truly seeking the truth.
Does it matter, or is this just a way to send me all over the place so I don’t have time to do other things?
We all saw the 2 bumps, clear as a bell, on the other photos. We know they were there. So what’s your point?
Same thing with the static wicks. We know they were there.
We can talk about what happened with them. Are you supposing that the bump on top blew away?
“I asked first. You tell me.”
I don’t know and neither do you. The difference is that I don’t weave my lack of knowledge into a fantasy conspiracy or say that there are discrepancies in the stories when there may not be.
“But the Coast Guard, from Oahu, took over an hour to get there with their helicopters and speedboat, which we have no record of ever arriving and no photos of.”
Nope, wrong again. The first CG helicopter arrived at either 4:05 (per Lang) or 3:45 (per Miller). Personally, I think that Lang’s timeline is more accurate as there is no doubt that he was on the scene and everyone agrees he was the first to spot the plane.
“Does somebody in law enforcement suspect foul play?”
Maybe whenever there is a fatality it is automatically considered a law enforcement investigation. Maybe the FBI has an agent watching the FAA/NTSB investigation.
I have already said that I have not read all the posts here so unless I’ve commented on a particular post that you posted you have no way of knowing whether I’ve seen it or not. Most likely not because, as holden and others have noted, you’ve been propping up an agenda from day one on this story and it would take more running around than I have time to do, to check on what you’re deceiving us about this time.
“He happened to be flying in the area.” True statement. Nothing you said changes that.
“He managed to find the crash while the trail of the landing was still showing in the water.” True statement. Nothing you said changes that. It’s interesting, however, that one of his photos has that trail and the others I’ve seen don’t. What happened to the oil that made the sheen then? Maybe holden knows.
“Really good coincidental timing.” That’s the only thing I said that I’m not sure is true.
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