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Mark Levin omitted vital information when explaining the Electoral College
2/16/2014 | johnwk

Posted on 02/16/2014 6:09:45 PM PST by JOHN W K





In 2012 Mark Levin took the time to explain the Electoral College to his audience. But in doing so, he omitted a vital piece of information that ties the size of each State’s number of Electoral College votes to taxation, which is no longer enforced and actually encouraged California to elect a socialist/progressive president!

CLICK HERE to listen to Mark explain the Electoral College, omitting how taxation is tied to the size of each State’s Electoral College vote, which in turn omits the importance of why our founders tied taxation and representation by the rule of apportionment.


Just for the record and regarding the importance of the rule of apportionment, let’s get down to some upsetting facts regarding California‘s 55 electoral college votes. According to recent nimbers, the total share of federal taxes paid by the people of 18 states [New York, Texas, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Washington, Connecticut, Maryland, Colorado, Arkansas , Nebraska, Delaware, Rhode Island, New Mexico, and Wyoming] works out to be a higher per capita amount then paid by the people of California. And yet, the State of California has an overwhelming 55 Electoral College votes compared to any of these states!


For example, and according to 2007 figures, the people of Wyoming contributed $4,724,678,000 in federal taxes which works out to be a $9,036.74 tax per capita. And Wyoming, under the rule of apportionment is allotted 3 Electoral College votes. By contrast, the people of California contributed $313,998,874,000 in federal taxes this same year, and this figure works out to be a mere $8,590.18 tax per capita, which is a far less per capita than that paid by the people of Wyoming. But California gets 55 Electoral College votes, about 17 times more electoral votes than Wyoming. And why should this upset the people of Wyoming and 17 other States? It violates that part of the Great Compromise adopted when our Constitution was ratified which guarantees that representation and direct taxation is to be apportioned by each State’s population size. The two formulas considering subsequent amendments to our Constitution may be expressed as follows:



State`s Pop.
___________ X House (435) = State`s votes in House
Pop. of U.S.



State`s pop.
_________ X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE`S SHARE
U.S. Pop


In regard to the first formula, both California and Wyoming are getting their full representation which is 55 and 3 Electoral College votes respectively. But, with regard to taxes paid, the people of Wyoming in 2007 contributed a higher per capita share of federal taxes than California in spite of the fair share formula for direct taxation mandated by our Constitution which requires an equal per capita tax.

In 2007, if the rule of apportionment were applied to taxation and representation as intended by our Founders, and the people of California each had to pay one dollar to meet its apportioned share of a total sum being raised by Congress, the people of Wyoming would likewise only have to pay one dollar each if the tax were shared evenly among the people living in Wyoming. Although California’s total share of the tax under the rule of apportionment would be far greater than that of Wyoming because of California’s larger population, California was compensated by its larger Electoral College vote in the last election which is also part of the rule of apportionment and gives them a greater say when spending federal revenue!

As things are California got to exercise 55 Electoral College votes in our last presidential election, but did not contributed a share into the federal treasury proportionately equal to its massive Electoral College vote as our Constitution requires. This is a direct assault upon the very purposes for which the rule of apportionment was adopted.


In Federalist No. 54 we are reminded that our Constitution’s rule requiring an apportionment of both Representatives and direct taxes “…will have a very salutary effect.” Madison observes in this paper . . . “Were” the various States’ “share of representation alone to be governed by this rule, they would have an interest in exaggerating their inhabitants. Were the rule to decide their share of taxation alone, a contrary temptation would prevail. By extending the rule to both objects, the States will have opposite interests, which will control and balance each other, and produce the requisite impartiality.”

And during the ratification debated, the following comments are made with regard to the rule of apportionment:


Pinckney addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment :

“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation.” 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6

And see:
“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil”3 Elliot’s, 243,“Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” 3 Elliot’s, 244 ___ Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution.

Mr. Madison goes on to remark about Congress’s “general power of taxation” that, "they will be limited to fix the proportion of each State, and they must raise it in the most convenient and satisfactory manner to the public."3 Elliot, 255

And if there is any confusion about the rule of apportionment intentionally designed to insure that the people of each state are guaranteed a proportional vote in Congress equal to their contribution, Mr. PENDLETON says:

“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union, she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion”3 Elliot’s 41



Now, picture for a moment if California had to pay an apportioned share of Obama’s 2013 federal deficit based upon its 55 Electoral College votes. Do you really think California would remain a blue State and vote to re-elect another socialist/progressive like Obama? It seems only too obvious that the people of California would not be too happy to have to deplete their own pocket to fund Washington’s profligate spending and borrowing, and would quickly realize there is no such thing as a free cheese wagon which Obama would have us all believe there is.


But the tragedy is, that part of our Constitution’s rule requiring “direct taxes” to be apportioned, which has never been repealed, is totally ignored! And it is ignored by not only our Republican Party Leadership, but also by Mark Levin along with every other “conservative” radio talk show host I know and includes Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Lee Rodgers, Herman Cain, Neal Boortz. Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley … etc. But they will discuss every form of tax reform [a national sales tax, value added tax, the “fairtax”, a flat tax, etc.,] all of which keep the iron fist of government around the necks of the American people, but never our founder’s original tax plan which was based upon principles which do not change with the passage of time, especially the brilliance of its rule of apportionment.

JWK


If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
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To: KC Burke
I explained the importance in the first post in the thread.

JWK

61 posted on 02/16/2014 8:02:53 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: KC Burke
Next time, ping him.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

62 posted on 02/16/2014 8:05:26 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K; Impy; sickoflibs
>> Your "great one" promotes the socialist tax on incomes with one of his "liberty amendments". <<


HERESY!!!
NO MERE MORTAL MAY QUESTION THE INFALLIBLE WISDOM HANDED DOWN BY THE GREAT LEVIN! SEIZE HIM!

63 posted on 02/16/2014 8:07:36 PM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: JOHN W K

Congress today levies no direct taxes on the states. Quite the opposite. The Federal government today heavily subsidizes state governments.


64 posted on 02/16/2014 8:10:32 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: JOHN W K

What you call ‘vital information’ is in fact irrelevant.


65 posted on 02/16/2014 8:10:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: JOHN W K
Senator Cruz still promotes the socialist/progressive’s tax upon incomes?

I can't tell if you're hung up on the issue of apportionment or hung up on real conservatives.

66 posted on 02/16/2014 8:20:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: All
BEWARE: Mt. Vernon Assembly is working 24/7 to convene a constitutional convention!

"If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?" - JWK

Bizarre!

67 posted on 02/16/2014 8:29:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye
I'm hung up on defending our Constitution and the documented intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted!

JWK

Those who reject and ignore abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records, wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

68 posted on 02/16/2014 8:29:17 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Madison wrote something like this..that of all taxes, excise is the least abhorant.

Madison, as all the rest, viewed taxation as tyranny-except maybe for Hamilton.


69 posted on 02/16/2014 8:29:50 PM PST by crz
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To: JOHN W K

BTW, I believe that the ratio is about 7200 reps per capita in the whole of the USA. Might be wrong on that but...


70 posted on 02/16/2014 8:32:01 PM PST by crz
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To: JOHN W K

You very consistently attack conservatives and conservative positions.


71 posted on 02/16/2014 8:34:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: BillyBoy
Actually, I like Mark Levin and listen to him regularly, but also know he is not the fountain of all knowledge.

JWK

"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes[Obama’s Solyndra, Chevy Volt, Fisker, Exelon swindling deals, and now his “promise zones”] is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Assc. v. Topeka,(1875).

72 posted on 02/16/2014 8:38:57 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

I suppose you still count Neroes as less than a full person too


73 posted on 02/16/2014 8:42:39 PM PST by Nifster
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To: JOHN W K
Well, the long and the short of it is that the Sixteenth Amendment changed everything. The South pushed hard for a national income tax and now we have one.
74 posted on 02/16/2014 8:44:36 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: JOHN W K
Well, the long and the short of it is that the Sixteenth Amendment changed everything. The South pushed hard for a national income tax and now we have one.
75 posted on 02/16/2014 8:44:36 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: JOHN W K

Answer your phone. Alex is calling


76 posted on 02/16/2014 8:45:43 PM PST by Nifster
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To: crz
And in several of the state ratification documents they expressed their intentions very clearly concerning direct taxes, e.g., see Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire; June 21, 1788

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

Also see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s Congressional Delegation returned home with a bill in hand for their State’s Governor and Legislature to deal with. And then see Section 7 of direct tax of 1813 allowing states to raise and pay their respective quotas in their own chosen way and be entitled to certain deductions in meeting their payment on time.

Maybe someday the people will take note of the importance of the rule of apportionment, but I doubt it judging how the personal attacks keep coming my way for defending our Founding Father's wisdom regarding the rule of apportionment.

JWK JWK

77 posted on 02/16/2014 8:48:26 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: Tau Food
The 16th Amendment has already been addressed in the thread. You are flat wrong.

JWK

78 posted on 02/16/2014 8:50:26 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K
Okay, well, then instead of filing any more tax returns, just send the government a copy of your comments on this thread. It will take a while, but they'll get back to you.

P.S. If you include some violent threats, your case will get priority. ;-)

79 posted on 02/16/2014 8:56:09 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Stop trolling the thread. This is not about not paying taxes. It's about the rule of apportionment and its legislative intent.

JWK

80 posted on 02/16/2014 9:01:22 PM PST by JOHN W K
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