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US ‘Itching’ to Join Russia in Anti-Asteroid Nuclear Defense – Report
Ria Novosti ^ | 10/17/2013 | Ria Novosti

Posted on 10/16/2013 11:48:37 PM PDT by TexGrill

WASHINGTON, October 16 (RIA Novosti) – US scientists are “itching” to work with their Russian counterparts in putting nuclear weapons technology to use in new systems to defend Earth from threatening asteroids, an investigative journalism outlet reported Wednesday.

“In recent years, advocates of the use of nuclear weapons to counter space threats have been gaining ground,” the non-profit Center for Public Integrity (CPI) said in an article posted on its website.

“NASA is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to study the idea, and the US nuclear weapons laboratories are itching to work with the Russians on it,” the report stated.

“Moreover, weaponeers in both countries are citing the asteroid threat as a reason to hold onto – or to build – very large yield nuclear explosives, which have declining terrestrial justification.”

In a 47-page agreement signed in Vienna last month, Russia and the United States listed several areas for potential nuclear energy and security cooperation. A subsequent US Department of Energy press release then added “defense from asteroids” to those ideas, the CPI report said.

The CPI report said NASA had spent “at least” $878,000 in the past two years on research into ways to deflect or neutralize asteroids that risk collision with Earth.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.ria.ru ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: asteroid; catastrophism; cosmoroids; russia; russiaeconomy
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1 posted on 10/16/2013 11:48:38 PM PDT by TexGrill
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To: TexGrill

In other words, to share our technology with them so they don’t have to use spies to get it.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 4:23:25 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: TexGrill

It seems to this clueless-layman that if we resorted to a nuclear explosion in an attempt to divert an asteroid, the detonation would need to be as far away from earth as possible. Even then, we we might still have a potentially destructive meteor shower raining down on us from the fragments — fragments of all sizes — with the added bonus that it would now be highly radioactive.

Maybe I’m wrong and they have it all figured out. I mean, with the 0bama administration meddling in the effort for political reasons, what could we possibly have to worry about?


3 posted on 10/17/2013 4:52:20 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: TexGrill

What do they know that we do not?


4 posted on 10/17/2013 6:15:01 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: jaydee770
This is a stupid idea. I think the others are right. This is just technology transfer.

Spend a few minutes with Google and Wikipedia and a spreadsheet... Lets pick asteroid 48 Doris. Good sized beast at 222 km dia and 12x10^18 kg mass. Ok, she's a little big. Lets say we go with one 1/10th as massive, at around 103 km dia (64 miles) and only 1.2x10^18 kg mass.

Typical impact velocities for asteroids are supposed to be 17 km/sec. So lets say we plan to intercept our Earth-killer out there at oh, twice as far away as the moon. That'll give us plenty of time to divert it, right? After all, we don't want to simply blow it apart - then we'll just get hit by roughly the same mass just spread out more. (shotgun pellets vs .45 slug - still going to hurt!)

Twice as far away as the moon is roughly 768,000 km. So if our girl is booking along at 17 km/s we've got over 45,000 seconds to push on her to divert her. Hmm, that's only 12.5 hrs.

The diameter of the Earth is a little over 12,000 km. So lets say she's going to hit dead center. So we need to move her say 7000 km to the side in 12 hrs or so. Distance being one half acceleration times time squared... Hey great, we only need to accelerate this beast to the side at 0.0069 meters per second squared. That's nothing, heck gravity is a whopping 9.8 m/s/s in comparison...

But wait, this beast is fairly massive. Force equals mass times acceleration... Turns out we need to push on her with a force of 8.3x10^15 kg/m/s/s (newtons) or 1.85x10^15 lbs (force). That's 1.85 million, trillion lbs. (930 trillion tons) That's a ridiculous amount of force.

Now, you get no real push in space from a nuclear detonation. You get energy release. So maybe a few mega ton blast can vaporize a few square miles of material down to a few feet. This energetic material flies off into space, pushing against the asteroid. (action/reaction) But that's at best going to be in the neighborhood of a few thousand tons of force. (don't have time this AM to work that out, so I'm guest-i-mating here) Looks like you'd need thousands of multi-megaton bombs going off beside it continuously for 12 hrs to move it...

You can gain some numerical advantages by going out - way out. The further out you intercept, the more time you have, the less acceleration (ie. force) you need to divert its path. But still, looks like a problem we may not have the technology to solve just yet.

5 posted on 10/17/2013 6:43:32 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks TexGrill. This talk started right after the SL-9 impacts on Jupiter; since then the proposed launch systems (Energia, STS) have been discontinued. Even without the inevitable moronic naysaying about the obvious need for such a defense system (national defense is something required of our federal gov't), there won't be the political will for it until another demonstration of the risk and danger, give or take having the Demagogic Party in charge.


6 posted on 10/17/2013 5:45:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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