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10 Disturbing SHTF Threats that most Preppers Havenít Prepared For
Off Grid Survival ^ | 6/23/12

Posted on 06/23/2012 7:47:45 AM PDT by Kartographer

1. No Law Enforcement 2. Fake Law Enforcement 3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns. 4. Gangs & Raiders 5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself. 6. Garbage will become a Killer. 7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items 8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation 9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges. 10. You will be cut off from the outside World.

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9 here is very important. There will be hard choices you will have to make during SHTF. Some will give you sleepless nights for the rest of your life.

Secondly while everyone is worried about 1,2,3,4 and 5 the one that's most likely to 'steal your life like a thief in the night' is 6 and 7. If you look at early American history Cholera, Dysentery, Typhoid killed far more than bandits, raiders even war.

1 posted on 06/23/2012 7:47:56 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 06/23/2012 7:49:03 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

11. Lots of Thorazine
12. Tons of tinfoil
(just having fun, don’t get angry)


3 posted on 06/23/2012 7:51:54 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Kartographer
My disagreement is not with you Kartographer, but with the author. The first 5 points are simply describing the same thing only differently. They are summed up in point #5: "You need to be able to Defend Yourself."

If the premise of the articke was "10 Disturbing SHTF Threats that most People Haven’t Prepared For" then I would agree, but most preppers I talk with have given defense considerations a great deal of thought.

4 posted on 06/23/2012 7:57:58 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Kartographer

I lived on a subsistence farm without any electricity until I was around 5. It is not as hard as many would believe but we did have the advantage of a well (also a free flowing spring not too far away) and lots of land.

Garbage is no problem, we simply dug a large pit far from the house and burned it regularly. An outhouse is not as bad as one would think either. The main problem is it is located a distance from the house.

Right now the main problem I would have is my house was constructed after central AC became common and would get really hot during the Summer.


5 posted on 06/23/2012 7:58:24 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: EEGator
11. Lots of Thorazine


6 posted on 06/23/2012 7:59:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: EEGator


More seriously though for those who like to squawk: "The sky is falling the sky is falling." Guess what?


Sometimes the sky does fall. Sometimes a little.
And somtimes the whole damned thing falls down on you.

Let me ask you a question: If in the early 1930's I was to go to a group of successful, prosperous, professional Germany Jews and told them where they be in 10 years what do you think the would make of my prediction?

7 posted on 06/23/2012 8:00:55 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The writer has ignored those that have prepared for Y2K and those that already live off the grid. City people will die off in the thousands. Rural people will fare better an not have the same problems. One size does not fit all.


8 posted on 06/23/2012 8:04:23 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: rockrr

Exactly. In fact, I’d say many preppers have thought too much about defense, or rather, put too much emphasis on peripheral defense issues. They collect tons of tactical gadgets and camouflage outfits and prepare plans for tactical patrols through their backyard, and yet don’t think much about things like garbage disposal.


9 posted on 06/23/2012 8:05:13 AM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: Kartographer

Most preppers are already armed and dangerous. That pretty much negates about half of these points. The author is full of sh**.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 8:05:13 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Kartographer

You’re no fun. :)


11 posted on 06/23/2012 8:06:08 AM PDT by EEGator
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Another thing people do is misjudge there own “safe” location. You may be outside a bigger city, let’s say Atlanta, and think you are rural or suburban “enough”.

But if a city melts down, what do you think is going to happen? Several thousand at least, and maybe a LOT more are going to try and get out of there. So what seems like fairly rural Georgia could turn into a completely different scene in short order. Especially if you are within a few gallons of gas.


12 posted on 06/23/2012 8:06:40 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Ammo and food would be the new currency. I put them in that order because if you don’t have ammo, you can’t protect yourself or your food. If it ever happens, I expect to be able to barter ammo for food.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 8:08:13 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Kartographer

That first poster isn’t fair, because Bill Murray is that guy.


14 posted on 06/23/2012 8:08:35 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Kartographer

Yes, garbage can kill.

You need a burn barrel. Even in town where it may be regulated out, you can still keep a burn barrel so you have one just in case. No Law Enforcement means you could then use it.

If you have no burn barrel, dig a pit.

Almost everything will burn. What won’t burn, you can bury or re-use.

Out in the boonies where I live we deal with it all the time.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 8:10:49 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Poser

Ammo and food, certainly, but also other things like toilet paper, gasoline, off-the-grid supplies and equiptment...Pretty much anything and everything that people take for granted now that will not be available easily or at all when the SHTF.


16 posted on 06/23/2012 8:10:58 AM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: EEGator

Well he did survive the initial Zombie Apocalypse, it was his horse play that got him killed.


17 posted on 06/23/2012 8:10:58 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Very well put. Sometimes it takes pictures to deliver what words cannot.


18 posted on 06/23/2012 8:12:27 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: Poser
"Ammo and food would be the new currency"

Here you are going to need this.


I was promised a bullet by a fellow FReeper for suggesting that ammo would be'currency' should I meet during SHTF. AND YES I AM SERIOUS.

19 posted on 06/23/2012 8:16:51 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

You just know many are thinking they’ll just put their trash in their neighbor’s garbage cans.


20 posted on 06/23/2012 8:23:05 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Copenhagen Smile

[but also other things like toilet paper,]

You can wipe with a damp rag. It is re-usable. Water will be VERY important.

For survival...

Water
Food
Shelter
Ammo

In that order. Not JMHO.


21 posted on 06/23/2012 8:23:05 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Kartographer

If I need that suit, I’ll probably use one of my bullets on myself.

I’ll be glad to trade you a box of 30-06 for a 50 pound bag of rice if that ever becomes necessary. Rice goes well with game. Perhaps I’ll stock up on condiments as well. Worcestershire sauce and Tabasco may be quite valuable as well. I suspect everybody will have salt and pepper.


22 posted on 06/23/2012 8:23:35 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

I did. I got four 55 gallon drums to burn my trash in if it becomes necessary. And I live in the city.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 8:26:11 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Kartographer; Poser
Gospel According To Me:

NEVER TRADE YOUR AMMO AWAY.

The bullet you trade in the morning will be shot back at you before sunset. You are doing nothing more than arming your future attackers.

And how/when will you resupply? The gummint won't trade you ammo. Will you survive the trek to the nearest WallyWorld to get more? And fight off the zombie hordes who are sacking the place because they didn't prep?

The ultimate trading/bartering item during SHTF will not be ammo; nor will it be "precious" metals; not even food. It will be WATER. Those of us with a well, or with a cache or a rain catchment system, will be far better off than the zombies who will drink the land dry in a matter of days.

How many people will be willing to show up on the bridge, begging "relief workers" for Evian bottles, with the MSM cameras rolling?

24 posted on 06/23/2012 8:27:35 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc... not just pretty words...)
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To: Poser
I expect to be able to barter ammo for food.

And have it used back on you? Not a good idea.

25 posted on 06/23/2012 8:28:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer

If 1,2,3,4 and 5 are properly taken care of, 6 and 7 become a significant issue in that: What do you do with the bodies?


26 posted on 06/23/2012 8:31:20 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Kartographer

Stock up on bleach... For treating water, cuts, etc.


27 posted on 06/23/2012 8:34:53 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: bgill

You could wrap it up as something else and then put it somewhere for someone to steal. ;-)


28 posted on 06/23/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Poser

Shhhh... My wealth building plan is making and selling condiments to fellow SHTF survivors. Mustards, ketchup, pickles, sauces, etc.

My grand kids will be richer than the Heinz family when New America rises from the ashes.


29 posted on 06/23/2012 8:36:56 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: KrisKrinkle

I have 3 labs that need feeding. Bodies will do when the dogfood runs out.


30 posted on 06/23/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: SolidRedState
When I was a kid back in the 60s we burned all our garbage. Things that didn't burn like glass,cans,etc were at least sanitized by the fire so there was no smell or rotting food to attract vermin. We used to love those Aqua-Net cans in the fire barrel! BOOM!
31 posted on 06/23/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (No matter who you elect,the government eventually gets in.)
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To: baddog 219

Bleach is very, very useful but remember it goes bad fairly quickly. I mean in a year or so, not weeks or months.


32 posted on 06/23/2012 8:38:22 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: baddog 219

Better yet stock up on Calcium Hypochlorite. You can treat your water and make gallons of clean solution from just a pound of it!

http://readynutrition.com/resources/better-than-bleach-use-calcium-hypochlorite-to-disinfect-water_19062010/


33 posted on 06/23/2012 8:38:42 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Old Sarge

I make my own ammo. I can make more. If ammo is still scarce when I run out of primers and powder, I will have led a long life.

Water? Perhaps in urban environments where you only have to transport it short distances. If you are the only one with water in your area, it won’t matter how much ammo you have.

The survivors will not be in urban areas. They will be in rural areas with water, land and game. Urban dwellers will simply be using up the few months of supplies they have stored. They will probably be the first ones killed in any case.

Water is an absolute requirement, but a lousy commodity to hoard or transport when fuel and spare parts for vehicles are not available. Live near your water supply.


34 posted on 06/23/2012 8:39:56 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Kartographer

Is your primary home “prepped”?

Do you have a backup location?
Do you have multiple routes to that location?

Do you have designated “bug-out” supplies to take with you?
Have you figured out what fits in your vehicle and prioritized properly?


35 posted on 06/23/2012 8:52:07 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: Old Sarge; Poser; bgill
I can't help but think of the scene from 'Jeremiah Johnson' were he finds the guy froze to death with the broken leg, but with the note reading Something like this:

I John Doe lay here dead because that bleep ass saw bones wanted two bricks of .22's to set my leg. Now to ever finds my body: NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY AMMO IN TRADE FOR BURYING ME! ;-)
36 posted on 06/23/2012 8:52:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

#10 is also critical

Learn about Ham Radios this weekend! Experts in your area this weekend!! This could save your life one day!!

Saturday and Sunday, the public will have a chance to meet and talk with local ham radio operators and see for themselves what amateur radio service is about at the annual Field Day. Showing the newest digital and satellite capabilities, voice communications and even historical Morse code, hams across the nation will hold public demonstrations of emergency communications abilities.

ARRL Field Day is This Weekend: Are You Ready?
TAGS: amateur radio, amateur radio operators, arrl, arrl field day, Field Day, Field Day Locator, hams, malls, proclamations, twitter
06/19/2012

Tens of thousands of Amateur Radio operators will be firing up portable radio stations from unexpected locations this weekend for ARRL Field Day. On June 23-24, over 35,000 hams are expected to operate from parks, malls, schools and. yes, fields, around the country.

Field Day is the climax of the week-long Amateur Radio Week sponsored by the ARRL. As of June 19, 21 states have issued proclamations thanking and supporting the hams for their community service work, and more are expected to do so.

Looking for a Field Day location? [link to www.arrl.org]
http://www.arrl.org/field-day-locator

Information for media and the general public is at
http://www.arrl.org/2012FieldDay

Information for radio amateurs and participants is at

http://www.arrl.org/field-day

On Twitter you can follow @ARRL.


37 posted on 06/23/2012 8:55:21 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Poser
Advice From a Sarajevo War Survivor:"Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden."
38 posted on 06/23/2012 8:57:32 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Old Sarge
The ultimate trading/bartering item during SHTF will not be ammo; nor will it be "precious" metals; not even food. It will be WATER.

I have to respectfully disagree.

While water is important, I believe that trade items will be what have been trade items historically.

Booze and tobacco.

/johnny

39 posted on 06/23/2012 8:57:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You left out something older johnny, but then this is a family forum. ;-)


40 posted on 06/23/2012 9:00:15 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The advantage we have over the pre-WWII Jews is that we have the advantage of hindsight of the Statist horrors of the 20th Century, and as Americans are generally well armed as a people, such that we would heed Solzeneitzn’s warning. See his quote on my FR profile page for that.


41 posted on 06/23/2012 9:04:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kartographer
"6. Garbage will become a Killer. 7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items "

Meh, I'll just build a trebuchet in the backyard and rotate it a few degrees every couple of days... ;-)

42 posted on 06/23/2012 9:04:54 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: mountainlion

Yes, separation from urban areas is the most important safety action one can take. I did it 3 years ago with all this in mind. It’s already proven to be the best move I ever made.


43 posted on 06/23/2012 9:06:16 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: FreedomPoster
If we have learned anything from our study of history it is that what we learn of it we seldom remember.
44 posted on 06/23/2012 9:08:46 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: mountainlion

I was really surprised to see companies like William Sonoma selling things like chicken coops and bee keeper kits.. Sign of the times..

http://www.williams-sonoma.com/search/results.html?activeTab=products&words=chicken+coop&cm_sp=OnsiteSearch-_-GlobalNav-_-Button&type-ahead-viewset=ecom


45 posted on 06/23/2012 9:09:07 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: SolidRedState

When I was growing up, my grandparents lived out in the country but Grandpa worked in town. Always had that 55 gallon drum burn barrel out back. Kitchen organic waste went into the chicken coop (they did keep chickens and grew a large garden). Almost everything else went into the burn barrel.


46 posted on 06/23/2012 9:10:34 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Edward Teach

That works until your neighbors do the same. ;-)


47 posted on 06/23/2012 9:10:35 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Copenhagen Smile

When life gets down to the lowest common denominator in simplicity, garbage SHOULD tend to also diminish. - Much of our garbage now is elaborate packaging, and for many newspapers and magazines - which should also diminish. (We take our old newspaper stacks to a local auction house for people to use for packing material for their purchases.)

When I was a kid, garbage was real sparse. Meat packages were either simple or just plain burnable butcher’s paper. We used few tin cans and glass jars. Daddy burned our trash in a big old metal barrel. We didn’t get newspapers much. Fast food was limited to a local Dairy Queen ice cream cone every now and then. Didn’t have paper towels or paper napkins and toilet paper (used Sears & Roebuck’s catalogs).


48 posted on 06/23/2012 9:12:20 AM PDT by Twinkie (Isaiah 53)
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To: Kartographer

I’m still reading to see if anyone yet has figured out a barter item that is worth more than its weight in gold, and that many of us have on hand. Hint; it’s under lock and key in pharmacies and doctor’s offices.

My wife has pain killers beta-blockers, and tranquilizers that she uses in less than prescribed doses. We reorder when we calculate that the stuff wound be gone if used to maximum dosage. We stay ahead.

Takes up very little space, light weight, and I’ll bet it’s literally more valuable than gold in SHTF.


49 posted on 06/23/2012 9:13:53 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: baddog 219

Bleach has a relatively short shelf life. Read up on storing pool shock sodium hypochlorite to make bleach.


50 posted on 06/23/2012 9:14:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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