Posted on 02/03/2010 4:12:18 PM PST by washingtoncon
Editors note: Doug Edelman argues that while the eligibility question is valid and needs to be resolved, we should shelve the issue until after the 2010 mid-term elections. He believes that the issue could distract conservative from the important job of winning elections. What do you think? Leave a comment.
Glenn Beck spent considerable airtime on his January 4, 2010 radio program dismissing and ridiculing the “Birthers” and the idea that President Obama was born in Kenya. Of course this raised immediate ire amongst those who question Obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve in the office of President of the United States. Before a war erupts on the Right between the Constitutional Eligibility Challengers and their deriders, BOTH sides need to step back! The eligibility issue is a distraction, and as Beck RIGHTLY points out – could serve to advance Obama’s interests – at least at this point in time! The focus needs to be on Obama’s policies. ObamaCare can still be rammed down our throats. We must put ALL our energies into convincing our elected officials that NOTHING that comes out of Conference Committee can be acceptable and WHATEVER emerges must be voted down. Focusing on “Where’s the Birth Certificate” right now will simply waste energy and resources that we need for the healthcare fight – and failing in that arena will permanently damage our Republic. PRIORITIES, PEOPLE!
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Ping...
Another attempt to get birthers to shup up... “until after the 2010 election”...
I never found the urge to pursue that anatomical study. Thanks for sharing. lol
It is completely possible to chew chewing gum and walk at the same time.
Anyway...These lawsuits will move forward **regardless** of what anyone says or doesn't say. ( So...No energy wasted there.)
The least that the conservative media could do is report the FACTS of these cases and report what the conflict is. How much time would that take? Little time. I am completely DISGUSTED with the conservative media. That includes Rush and especially Beck and Coulter ( for being so insulting!)
Also...If any reporter or Democratic candidate brings it up, the Republican should ask, “How do I **know** for certain that YOU ( Mr. Reporter or candidate for whatever) are natural born citizen or even a citizen at all! ??? “
Think about this. How many people are there in your own personal life that you could testify in court that they were a natural born citizen? Huh? Neighbors, friends, many in-law relatives? Would you need to see documentation before you could testify with absolute certainty???? Of course you would documentation.
Well, Gee! If my son-in-law would need to show me ( his mother-in-law) documents to prove to me with certainty that he is a natural born citizen, then maybe it is NOT unreasonable for the president to provide certifiable documents as well!
They didn't just disagree.
I SWEAR I will **never** give those guys a dime! Not for tickets to one of their shows or for any book that they write.
Ditto for OReilly...but we knew he was a jerk years before Obama became a candidate.
Beck ( as well a Coulter) didn't just disagree with a well reasoned argument. NO NO NO they used Democrat talking points to defend their position and they INSULTED and RIDICULED the birthers.
How's that for poking a finger right in the eye of their costumers that keep them in business ?
Do other’s feel the same? Maybe, maybe not. But..I am not giving them any of my money. NOPE!
They have lost me a as customer.
Very cute! Sitting here laughing.
LOL again.
EXACTLY!
If we don't defend the Constitution and rule of law then why bother with anything else???....We will soon be barbarians regardless of the issue of the day.
Beck and Coulter understand perfectly that the eligibility issue is a loser for conservatives and they want to distance themselves as far away as possible from the various grifters, scam-artists, convicted felons, disbarred attorneys and unhinged cranks who have anointed themselves "leaders" in the birther movement.
Kudos to them for giving their middle fingers to those for whom such ridicule is well deserved.
LOL...what a crock!
Anti-Birthers have been saying this from the beginning and are just as wrong now as they were then.
Obama is becoming a joke on his own, his policies have failed to gain traction, and this is the PERFECT time to bombard him with these questions.
The ‘Birther’ issue is not so much about ***where*** he was born as it is who or the lack of who influenced his development.
The founders and the 1790 Congress as well as the Congress of the 1860s in passing the 14th Amendment defined ‘natural born citizen’ as a citizen who at the time of their birth was conceived from two citizens. This is distinct from a definition of ‘citizen’. And it was done for good purpose.
By now it should be obvious that Obama is not proud of America. And the question is ‘Why?’.
It should be generally acceptable that in most cases having two citizens as parents will with higher probability ensure that some ‘natural bond’ and ‘natural loyalty’ to America is passed down.
When one parent is not a citizen, it should be reasonable to infer that in many cases there will be some loyalty to the old country and perhaps divided loyaties will be passed on to children of such parents, especially in this age of public education where American History is shunned, avoided, berated or outright attacked.
So the ‘Birther’ issue is really about Obama’s loyalty and faithfulness to America, its history and its people.
For consider that Obama’s father was Kenyan born as a British subject. Could his father’s perspective of America as just another country have influenced the young Obama of the same? And with his father’s absence, could his surrogate father figure in communist Frank Marshall have influenced his development as a hater of America, a view that his later father figure in Jeremiah Wright expressed in his screaming “God Damn the United States!”?
Obama stated publically he was going to try and reverse the ‘negative view’ that Europeans had of the United States. And who are these Europeans that he refers to? Are they not the same as those in power or positions of influence that have driven Europe along a path towards Socialism? Doesn’t that statement in and of itself provide a clear indication that Obama agrees with their view (socialism)?
So can we agree that a ‘Birther’ is really calling into question Obama’s loyaty and faithfulness to America? And by questioning the legal technicality of his birthright and upbringing as a ‘non-natural born citizen’ the birthers are in effect saying he has not been endowed with the bonds of loyalty and faithfulness that are expected of a natural born citizen.
And we know that exceptions can exist in such bonds among natural born and non-natural born but the Constitution was written not to remove all uncertainty but to base itself on a sense of expected reasonable behavior. We can more readily trust a natural born citizen to be loyal to America than a non-natural born citizen, even though we know exceptions exist.
” Beck ( as well a Coulter) didn’t just disagree with a well reasoned argument. NO NO NO they used Democrat talking points to defend their position and they INSULTED and RIDICULED the birthers.”
Exactly.
Beck ridiculed and mocked anyone who simply wonders why Barry refuses to release his original and complete birth certificate.
They had two choices:
** Shut up and say nothing and refuse to discuss the subject
or..
** Use a well reasoned argument. Democrat talking points, Democrat produced ridiculing talking points and insults were completely unnecessary.
Yeah! I am just one person. But...They have lost me ( this one person) as customer FOREVER!
** Shut up and say nothing and refuse to discuss the subject
And they would've been pestered by birthers until they finally said something.
or..
** Use a well reasoned argument.
To birthers, well reasoned arguments are known dismissively as "Democrat talking points."
insults were completely unnecessary.
Insults are an effective way to let someone know that you view them with contempt and want nothing to do with them.
I love Beck, but just can’t agree with him on this point. Beck is always preaching go back to the founding documents and this is one thing about eligibility that is the founding documents.
Really?
Indeed, Obama would much prefer people forget about his failed policies and harp on him about his birth certificate!
Jeez, do you folks even think this stuff through?
It really sucks and it is rather atypical of their usual attitude toward their fans, which is why I have to believe that they are under orders from the likes of Fox, Clear Channel, and possibly their book publishers as well.
Coulter is more confounding than Beck in that, to my knowledge, she had never run from a fight or any type of controversy prior to the eligibility question.
The atypical nature of their reaction to what my own reading tells me is a very reasonable issue makes me think that they have been warned and, since they know what side their bread is buttered on, they are heeding that warning very closely.
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