Posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:25 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
Townhall.com May 12, 2009
Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!
1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable: a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including: a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii? b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii. c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this election.
Go after his college records.
Thanks for the confirmation, Beckwith.
Gemsbok, check out post #57, no need for a further search.
Stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas so, she was 18 when she left Cuba.
I have some Cuban friends. I will work on this!
The Embargo: The Foreign Assistance Act (Pub.L. 87-195, 75 Stat. 424, enacted September 4, 1961, 22 U.S.C. § 2151 et seq.) is a United States Act of Congress.
FYI.
http://www.hillarysvillage.net/showthread.php?t=4560
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2172416/posts
See #39
Barak’s father—Vanity
an email | october 29, 2008 | Oswaldo F. Hernandez-Campos
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27:52 AM by Fawn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2124007/posts
Then if it ever got to the point that I actually had to produce the birth certificate, bingo, I whip it out and make all the liberals look like jackasses.
Since I believe that His Zero-ness was actually born in Hawaii(as unhappy as that fact makes me), I believe that this is what he is doing.
If any one of you can actually prove he was born in another country to someone other than Stanley Ann Dunham, please do so. I will be forever grateful. But I'm not holding my breath.
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If it is a "delayed" or "unattended" type certificate, then it's possible that he was born earlier, maybe not too much earlier, than the certificate says. Also possibly not where the certificate says. If his original certificate shows his grandmother as witness, rather than an attending physician or midwife, and birth in someplace other than a hospital, that would be somewhat suspecious. His mother and grandmother would not have falsified the application so that he could be natural born, and eligible to the office of President, but rather so he could be a citizen at all, since IF he was born outside the country and IF his father was not a citizen (which he was not IF he was Barack H. Obama Sr.) then he was not a citizen at birth, provided his parents were married, since his mother did not then meet the criteria for passing on US citizenship to her offspring. (She did by the time his half sister was born) In 1961, even left wing types still saw advantages to being an American citizen.
It would not take a "vast conspiracy", just his mother or grandmother filing an unattended birth certificate. That would generate the announcement in the papers(plural) and produce the exact same "Certification" that was posted. The reason they would do that would be to make him a citizen, not so he could become President 47 years later. They'd need to do that because at the time of his birth, his mother was not eligible to pass on citizenship, if he was born outside the country to a foreign national father, not having lived in the US for a sufficient number of years (5) after her 14th birthday, since she was not yet 19.
It appears that unknowingly, Obama, Sr. did us a big favor by passing on British Citizenship at birth to Jr., making it impossible for him to be a NBC.
Not if born outside the country, in 1961, with an 18 y/o mother and non-citizen father. In such cases, that is non-citizen father, and born outside the country, the US citizen mother must have resided in the US for a certain number of years, and another number of those must have been after her 14th birthday. In 1961 the latter number was 5 years, Stanley Ann was only 18, and thus failed that criteria. (It's now 2 years, but the law at the time of birth is what counts).
So, if he was born outside the country, and hasn't been naturalized, he's not only not natural born, he's not a citizen. But if he has been naturalized, then while he was OK as Senator, and would be OK as Illinois governor, he's not OK as President.
Filing for the certificate, with a falsified place and date of birth, would generate the announcement in the paper.
Amen to that.
I've seen different versions of that law but either way and anyway you look at it, he's a fraud.
We've been duped in the highest mannor.
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....could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person
It doesn't say it had to be him. Just an adult.
Why to "someone other than..."? Stanley Ann was young enough when BHO was born, that she could not pass US Citizenship to him, under the law as it existed in 1961. Only if (1) He was born in the US or (2)His parents were not married at the time, would he have been a citizen at birth. Since there are divorce papers that seem to indicate that Stanley Ann was married to BHO Sr at the time of his birth, condition (2) is not satisfied. (Doesn't matter if BHO Sr was not really his biological father).
Since when do someone with a Phd in Philosphy and someone with an M.A. in English Lit qualify as document examiners? Also did you not read the stories behind the “birth announcements” which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin” list an address which was not related to either the Dunham family OR to Obama Sr? You must have missed both of those stories when they appeared, the same way you missed the testimony of the neighbor of the listed birth announcement home who swore that there had never been a young white woman and colored baby ever live at that home at any time. The neighbor had lived there since before 1960.
Did you ever stop to think that the mere fact of registering the birth generated the birth announcement in the paper and served as a way to “protect a wayward daughter’s honor” while serving as a beginningof a story to build on when that mother returned to HI with a young boy a few years later? I can hear it now, “Isn’t it a shame Ann’s marriage didn’t work out and she is left to raise the baby on her own?”
Grandma’s co-worker’s didn’t even know she was a grandma until Jr returned to HI to attend Punahou and he stopped in at the bank to wait for a drive home. Pretty amazing to keep quiet about having a grandson for 10 years don’t you think? Grandpa was his constant companion when he and Ann returned to HI in 1963 while grandma earned the money!
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