Posted on 02/01/2009 4:59:35 PM PST by Vendek
“We found the houses taken down and the place very strongly enclosed with a high palisade of great trees, with curtains and flankers very fortlike, and one of the chief trees or posts at the right side of the entrance had the bark taken off, and five feet from the ground in fair capital letters was graven CROATAN, without any cross or sign of distress. We entered the palisade, where we found many bars of iron, two pigs of lead, four fowlers, iron sacker-shot and such like heavy things, thrown here and there, almost overgrown with grass and weeds.” -- John White, Second Voyage, 1590.
On July 22, 1587, 116 men, women and children landed on Roanoke Island off the coast of present-day North Carolina, the second English settlement sponsored by Walter Raleigh. Raleigh's enterprise was launched under a charter granted by Elizabeth I to discover and colonize the “remote heathen and barbarous lands of North America.”
Three years passed before the artist-explorer Governor John White could return with supplies for Roanoke in 1590, primarily because of the Spanish Armada. The colonists had disappeared, among them White's grand-daughter Virginia Dare, first child of English parentage born in the New World.
The mystery of the “lost colony” has endured for four centuries; theories of what happened abound, of which these are most potent:
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.erroluys.com ...
No it was Bush’s fault, since it happened before the Caliphate’s immaculation
By that time (Lord Delaware arrived just in time to save them) they knew Virginia was pretty rugged so they needed to find out quick how to live there.
What they seemed to be unaware of was that they had landed just at the tail end of a 17 year drought period, so salt water was all the way up to the Fall Line. They did discover the Fall Line though, probably in their search for fresh water.
The folks in Maryland could simply have been folks dropped off by pirates, or maybe they were the pirates' support team, or maybe lots of Croatians. There are about 27 early European settlements older than Jamestown on the East Coast that have not yet been archaelogically surveyed.
I don't know how many of them are in Maryland ~ could be some.
Regarding settlement sizes, the local Indians in Fairfax County had a town of about 20,000 population near Beacon Hill (in Fairfax county VA). They manufactured ceramic dishes and pots in traditional Indian designs and styles until shortly after Jamestown was founded. As that area became available as a market for their wares, the Indians began manufacturing ceramics in European designs and styles.
That area eventually became part of Mount Vernon plantation.
The sign was misspelled. They meant to say “Croatia”.
Wasn’t there a nearby Indian tribe called the Croatoans?
Just asking, I really did read this once.
I am pretty sure they are dead too. ;)
You got me. I read about that once too. But that was many years back. I haven’t kept up on the Eastern tribes. Plenty of tribess here in the Southwest to keep me busy. =)
Yes, the Croatan Indians lived on southern part of Hatteras Island...Manteo, a Croatan, was go-between settlers and the Indians. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manteo_(Croatan)
I found the site you referenced fascinating. That would be interesting to read how this author goes about constructing a book.
When I taught fourth grade American history the kids were always fascinated by this mystery.
Probably struck him as quite normal and unremarkable.
Going beyond the French and English, there' been Welsh, Scottish, Breton and Scandinavian fishermen drying catches in America for the last 75 years (as the Grand Banks, et al, slowly recovered fish-stocks after the harp seals had been killed off).
Chesapeak Bay was a great place to be during hurricane season, so you'd had all sorts of people wintering over. As long as they gave Powhattan and a couple of other Iriquois tax collectors their share, they could do what they wished.
“The Storm of the Century”-give me all that I ask and I will go away.
“The Storm of the Century”-give me all that I ask and I will go away.
I believe I have discovered that place along the Pechanga Valley in NW Nikel Oblast near the Norway/Russia border.
Some of the earliest settlers in what is now the United States came from Nikel Oblast and were members of the Skolt Sa'ami tribe (which is down to 500 native speakers in the Old World, and may number as many as 2 million people in America ~ virtually none of whom know they are an ancient people called Skolt). Many settled around Nickel Mines Pennsylvania (and a gazillion other places with a Christmasy, or traditional Scandinavian motif name, e.g. Santa Claus, Christmas Valley, Deer Park, Elkins, Elkton, etc.)
Jedediah Smith would necessarily have had considerable contact with American Skolt.
Why I posted that bit of early settlement lore is because we face a similar problem with "Croatan" ~ a place named Croatan Island, a band of Indians at Croatan Island, next thing you know you have the Croatan Indians.
The Indians didn't name themselves Pechanga. The Indians didn't name themselves Croatan.
"River Avon" is yet another instance of this sort of thing ~ "Avon" means "river" in Welsh.
Alien abduction. But don’t worry, they’ll be back presently wondering what happened in the past few minutes.
Or at least that’s what I’ve heard.
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Personally I think they intermingled and were absorbed by the indians.
You don’t mean in a culinary sense, right? Always heard the only canabals were on Galveston Island.
interesting read
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Thanks BBell....five feet from the ground in fair capital letters was graven CROATANAbout ten years ago I read (for the first time I believe) about an old discovery, another inscription apparently left by at least a small party of these colonists, many miles inland and south, apparently making their way toward the Euro-colonies of Florida. They didn't make it, obviously. Or at least, no known records exist. |
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Other tribes were accused of it, including the Commanche.
Aliens abducted by Aliens.
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