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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Navy Divers - Jan. 24th, 2003
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Posted on 01/24/2003 5:41:05 AM PST by SAMWolf

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Diving in the U.S. Navy:
A Brief History


The US Navy is the forerunner in the development of modem diving and underwater operations. The general requirements of national defense and the specific requirements of underwater reconnaissance, demolition, ordnance disposal, construction, ship maintenance, search, rescue, and salvage operations repeatedly give impetus to training and development.



Early History of US Navy Diving


The early history of diving in the US Navy parallels that of the other navies of the world. Since the middle of the nineteenth century, the Navy has employed divers in salvage and repair of ships, in construction work, and in military operations.

For the most part, early Navy divers were swimmers and skin divers, with techniques and missions unchanged since the days of Alexander the Great. During the Civil War Battle of Mobile Bay, swimmers were sent in ahead of Admiral Farragut's ships to locate and disarm Confederate mines that had been planted to block the entrance to the bay.

In 1898, Navy divers were briefly involved in an international crisis when the second-class armored battleship USS Maine was sunk by a mysterious explosion while anchored in the harbor at Havana, Cuba. Navy divers were sent from Key West to study and report on the wreck. Although a Court of inquiry was convened, the reason for the sinking was not found.

The beginning of the twentieth century saw the attention of all major navies turning towards developing a weapon of immense potential - the military submarine. The highly effective use of the new weapon by the German Navy in World War I heightened this interest, and an emphasis was placed on the submarine that continues today.



The US Navy had operated submarines on a limited basis for several years prior to 1900. As American technology expanded, the US submarine fleet grew rapidly. However, throughout the period of 1912-1939, the development of the Navy's F, H, and S class boats was marred by a series of accidents, collisions, and sinkings. Several of these submarine disasters resulted in a correspondingly rapid growth in the Navy diving capability.

Until 1912, US Navy divers rarely went below 60 fsw (feet of seawater). In that year, Chief Gunner George D. Stillson set up a program to test Haldane's diving tables and methods of stage decompression. A companion goal of the program was to develop improvements in Navy diving equipment. Throughout a three-year period, first diving in tanks ashore and then in open water in Long Island Sound from the USS Walke (Destroyer No.34), the Navy divers went progressively deeper, eventually reaching 274 fsw.

The experience gained in Stillson's program was put to dramatic use six months later when the submarine USS F-4 sank near Honolulu, Hawaii. Twenty-one men lost their lives in the accident and the Navy lost its first boat in 15 years of submarine operations. Navy divers salvaged the submarine and recovered the bodies of the crew. The salvage effort incorporated many new techniques, such as the use of lifting pontoons, but what was most remarkable was that the divers completed a major salvage effort working at the extreme depth of 304 fsw, using air as a breathing mixture. These dives remain the record for the use of standard deep-sea diving dress. Because of the depth and the necessary decompression, each diver could remain on the bottom for only ten minutes. Even for such a limited time, the men found it hard to concentrate on the job at hand. They were unknowingly affected by nitrogen narcosis.



The publication of the first US Navy Diving Manual and the establishment of a Navy Diving School at Newport, Rhode Island were the direct outgrowth of experience gained in the test pro gram and the USS F-4 salvage. When the United Stares entered World War I, the staff and graduates of the school were sent to Europe, where they conducted various salvage operations along the French coast.

The physiological problems encountered in the salvage of the USS F-4 clearly demonstrated the limitations of breathing air during deep dives. Continuing concern that submarine rescue and salvage would be required at great depth focused Navy attention on the need for a new diver breathing medium. In 1924, the Navy joined with the Bureau of Mines in the experimental use of helium-oxygen mixtures. The preliminary work was conducted at the Bureau of Mines Experimental Station in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Experiments on animals, later verified by studies with human subjects, clearly showed that helium-oxygen mixtures offered great advantages over air for deep dives. There were no undesirable mental effects and decompression time was shortened. This early work laid the foundation for development of reliable decompression tables and specialized apparatus, which are the cornerstones of modern deep diving technology.

One year later, in September of 1925, another submarine, the USS S-51 (SS-162), was rammed by a passenger liner and sunk in 132 fsw off Block Island, Massachusetts. Public pressure to raise the submarine and recover the bodies of the crew was intense. Navy diving was put in sharp focus and the Navy realized it had only 20 divers who were qualified to go deeper than 90 fsw. Diver training programs had been cut at the end of World War I, and the school had not been reinstituted.

Salvage of the USS S-51 covered a ten month span of difficult and hazardous diving, and a special diver training course was made part of the operation. The submarine was finally raised and towed to the Brooklyn Navy Yard in New York.



Interest in diving was high once again and the Naval School, Diving and Salvage, was reestablished at the Washington Navy Yard in 1927. At the same time, the Navy brought together its existing diving technology and experimental work by shifting the Experimental Diving Unit (EDU), which had been working with the Bureau of Mines in Pennsylvania to the Navy Yard as well.

In the following years, EDU developed the US Navy Air Decompression Tables, which have become the accepted world standard, and continued developmental work in helium-oxygen breathing mixtures for deeper diving.

The loss of the USS F-4 and USS S-51 provided the impetus for expanding the Navy's diving ability. However, the Navy's inability to rescue men trapped in a disabled submarine was not confronted until another major submarine disaster occurred.

In 1927, the Navy lost the submarine USS S-4 (SS-109) in a Collision with the Coast Guard cutter USS Paulding. The first divers to reach the submarine in 102 fsw, 22 hours after the sinking, exchanged signals with the men trapped inside. The submarine had a hull fitting designed to take an air hose from the surface, but what had looked feasible in theory proved too difficult in reality. With stormy seas causing repeated delays, the divers could not make the hose connection until it was too late. All of the men aboard the USS S-4 had died. Even had the hose connection been made in time, rescuing the crew would have posed a significant problem.



The USS S-4 was salvaged after a major effort, and the fate of the crew spurred several efforts toward preventing a similar disaster. Lieutenant C. B. Momsen, a submarine officer, developed the escape lung which bears his name. It was given its first operational test in 1929 when 26 officers and men successfully surfaced from an intentionally bottomed submarine.

USS Squalus (SS-192)


The Navy pushed for development of a rescue chamber that was essentially a diving bell with special fittings for connection to a submarine deck hatch. The apparatus, called the McCann-Erickson Rescue Chamber, was proven in 1939 when a submarine sank in 243 fsw. The USS Squalus (SS-192) carried a crew of 50 [56 and 3 civilians]. The rescue chamber made four trips and safely brought 33 men to the surface. The rest of the crew, trapped in the flooded after-section of the submarine, had perished in the sinking. The USS Squalus was raised by salvage divers using air and helium-oxygen mixtures. Following renovation, the submarine, renamed USS Sailfish (SS-192), compiled a proud record in World War II.



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To: SAMWolf
Good post, Sam.

Bump!


61 posted on 01/24/2003 5:50:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: AntiJen
Hi Jen! Long time no see. Hope you're doing well.


62 posted on 01/24/2003 5:53:25 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Good evening, thanks Victoria.
63 posted on 01/24/2003 6:04:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
LOL! Should have just rammed their boats.
64 posted on 01/24/2003 6:07:19 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: the_doc
Thanks alot, we really appreciate it.
65 posted on 01/24/2003 6:25:57 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf
Our normal temps this time of the year is about 45, so 11 is REAL cold. We've had the water running in the sinks for 3 days now. Good thing we don't pay a water bill. The trailer park provides it as part of our lot rent.
66 posted on 01/24/2003 6:29:20 PM PST by GailA (Throw Away the Keys, Tennessee Tea Party, Start a tax revolt in your state)
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To: GailA
We had the pipes freeze one year.

The temp went below freezing for a couple of days and they don't bury the water lines too deep here. What a pain not having running water.
67 posted on 01/24/2003 6:45:14 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; Diver Dave; Chad Fairbanks; E.G.C.
SAM, I saw The Al Jolson Story with Larry Parks (1946) once in the 'fifties as a black and white late show. Ted Danson's blackface antics with Whoopie Goldberg recently resulted in a firestorm of Hollywood underwear-bunching.

AntiJen, I went with a lady in college some decades ago whose migraines caused blurred vision, ringing ears, incapacitating nausea and vomiting. It's a term which commands respect to those who know it.

Dave, Kellogg's offered Navy frogmen as cereal box bonuses in 1955 and I collected the set. Did the Russians refuse international assistance in the Kursk disaster because they put security above the lives of their people--or did they know they were already dead?

Chad, the Greenpeace movement deserves all the sabotage it gets--its net effect is to the great detriment of all species great and small, consistent with the entire Kaczynski-Gore global-warming/Kyoto scam.

The Navy and its divers are a bold history of truly going where no man has gone before.

My good friend through high school was very big on the Riviera Club swim team (Indy, AntiJen, another 'fifties blast) who went Navy subs. I think he had gill slits, I really do. And later, he trained nuclear power plant operators--oooh, China Syndrome with Jane Fonda, Michael Douglas, Jack Lemmon and Wilfred Brimley as Gary the Glowing Fuel Rod.

68 posted on 01/24/2003 7:16:24 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: PhilDragoo
Kellogg's offered Navy frogmen as cereal box bonuses in 1955 and I collected the set.

Hey I had them. you put baking soda in ther base and theyd rise and sink. I had a torch, one a mine and I think the thirad had a knife.

69 posted on 01/24/2003 7:20:33 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf

Navy Diver & SEAL Medal of Honor Recipients

BADDERS, WILLIAM
Rank and organization: Chief Machinist's Mate, U.S. Navy. Place and date: At sea following sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus, 13 May 1939. Entered service at: Indianapolis, Ind. Born: 16 September 1900, Harrisburg, Ill. Other Navy awards: Navy Cross, Navy-Marine Corps Medal. Citation: For extraordinary heroism in the line of his profession during the rescue and salvage operations following the sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus on 13 May 1939. During the rescue operations, Badders, as senior member of the rescue chamber crew, made the last extremely hazardous trip of the rescue chamber to attempt to rescue any possible survivors in the flooded after portion of the Squalus. He was fully aware of the great danger involved in that if he and his assistant became incapacitated, there was no way in which either could be rescued. During the salvage operations, Badders made important and difficult dives under the most hazardous conditions. His outstanding performance of duty contributed much to the success of the operations and characterizes conduct far above and beyond the ordinary call of duty.

CRANDALL, ORSON L.
Rank and organization: Chief Boatswain's Mate, U.S. Navy. Place and date: At sea following sinking of U.S.S. Squalus, 13 May 1939. Born: 2 February 1903, St. Joseph, Mo. Entered service at: Connecticut. Citation: For extraordinary heroism in the line of his profession as a master diver throughout the rescue and salvage operations following the sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus on 23 May 1939. His leadership and devotion to duty in directing diving operations and in making important and difficult dives under the most hazardous conditions characterize conduct far above and beyond the ordinary call of duty.

EADIE, THOMAS
Rank and organization: Chief Gunner's Mate, U.S. Navy. Place and date: Off Provincetown, Mass., 18 December 1927. Entered service at: Rhode Island. Born: 7 April 1887, Scotland. Other Navy award: Navy Cross. Citation: For display of extraordinary heroism in the line of his profession above and beyond the call of duty on 18 December 1927, during the diving operations in connection with the sinking of the U.S.S. S-4 with all on board, as a result of a collision off Prividencetown, Mass. On this occasion when Michels, Chief Torpedoman, U.S. Navy, while attempting to connect an airline to the submarine at a depth of 102 feet became seriously fouled, Eadie, under the most adverse diving conditions, deliberately, knowingly, and willingly took his own life in his hands by promptly descending to the rescue in response to the desperate need of his companion diver. After 2 hours of extremely dangerous and heartbreaking work, by his cool, calculating, and skillful labors, he succeeded in his mission and brought Michels safely to the surface.

McDONALD, JAMES HARPER
Rank and organization: Chief Metalsmith, U.S. Navy. Place and date: Area at sea of sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus, 23 May 1939. Entered service at: Washington, D.C. Born: 15 July 1900, Scotland. Citation: For extraordinary heroism in the line of his profession as a master diver throughout the rescue and salvage operations following the sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus on 23 May 1939. His leadership, masterly skill, general efficiency, and untiring devotion to duty in directing diving operations, and in making important and difficult dives under the most hazardous conditions, characterize conduct far above and beyond the ordinary call of duty.

MIHALOWSKI, JOHN
Rank and organization: Torpedoman First Class, U.S. Navy. Place and date: Area at sea of the sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus, 23 May 1939. Entered service at: Massachusetts. Born: 12 August 1910, Worcester, Mass. Citation: For extraordinary heroism in the line of his profession during the rescue and salvage operations following the sinking of the U.S.S. Squalus on 23 May 1939. Mihalowski, as a member of the rescue chamber crew, made the last extremely hazardous trip of the rescue chamber to attempt the rescue of any possible survivors in the flooded after portion of the Squalus. He was fully aware of the great danger involved, in that, if he and the other member of the crew became incapacitated, there was no way in which either could be rescued. During the salvage operations Mihalowski made important and difficult dives under the most hazardous conditions. His outstanding performance of duty contributed much to the success of the operations and characterizes conduct far above and beyond the ordinary call of duty.

*HAMMERBERG, OWEN FRANCIS PATRICK
Rank and organization: Boatswain's Mate Second Class, U.S. Navy. Born: 31 May 1920, Daggett, Mich. Accredited to: Michigan. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as a diver engaged in rescue operations at West Loch, Pearl Harbor, 17 February 1945. Aware of the danger when 2 fellow divers were hopelessly trapped in a cave-in of steel wreckage while tunneling with jet nozzles under an LST sunk in 40 feet of water and 20 feet of mud. Hammerberg unhesitatingly went overboard in a valiant attempt to effect their rescue despite the certain hazard of additional cave-ins and the risk of fouling his lifeline on jagged pieces of steel imbedded in the shifting mud. Washing a passage through the original excavation, he reached the first of the trapped men, freed him from the wreckage and, working desperately in pitch-black darkness, finally effected his release from fouled lines, thereby enabling him to reach the surface. Wearied but undaunted after several hours of arduous labor, Hammerberg resolved to continue his struggle to wash through the oozing submarine, subterranean mud in a determined effort to save the second diver. Venturing still farther under the buried hulk, he held tenaciously to his purpose, reaching a place immediately above the other man just as another cave-in occurred and a heavy piece of steel pinned him crosswise over his shipmate in a position which protected the man beneath from further injury while placing the full brunt of terrific pressure on himself. Although he succumbed in agony 18 hours after he had gone to the aid of his fellow divers, Hammerberg, by his cool judgment, unfaltering professional skill and consistent disregard of all personal danger in the face of tremendous odds, had contributed effectively to the saving of his 2 comrades. His heroic spirit of self-sacrifice throughout enhanced and sustained the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life in the service of his country.

KERREY, JOSEPH R.
Rank and organization: Lieutenant, Junior Grade, U.S. Naval Reserve, Sea, Air, and Land Team (SEAL). place and date: Near Nha Trang Bay, Republic of Vietnam, 14 March 1969. Entered service at: Omaha, Nebr. Born: 27 August 1943, Lincoln, Nebr. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as a SEAL team leader during action against enemy aggressor (Viet Cong) forces. Acting in response to reliable intelligence, Lt. (J.G..) Kerrey led his SEAL team on a mission to capture important members of the enemy's area political cadre known to be located on an island in the bay of Nha Trang. In order to surprise the enemy, he and his team scaled a 350-foot sheer cliff to place themselves above the ledge on which the enemy was located. Splitting his team in 2 elements and coordinating both, Lt. (J.G..) Kerrey led his men in the treacherous downward descent to the enemy's camp. Just as they neared the end of their descent, intense enemy fire was directed at them, and Lt. (J.G.) Kerrey received massive injuries from a grenade which exploded at his feet and threw him backward onto the jagged rocks. Although bleeding profusely and suffering great pain, he displayed outstanding courage and presence of mind in immediately directing his element's fire into the heart of the enemy camp. Utilizing his radioman, Lt. (J.G.) Kerrey called in the second element's fire support which caught the confused Viet Cong in a devastating crossfire. After successfully suppressing the enemy's fire, and although immobilized by his multiple wounds, he continued to maintain calm, superlative control as he ordered his team to secure and defend an extraction site. Lt. (J.G.) Kerrey resolutely directed his men, despite his near unconscious state, until he was eventually evacuated by helicopter. The havoc brought to the enemy by this very successful mission cannot be over-estimated. The enemy soldiers who were captured provided critical intelligence to the allied effort. Lt. (J.G) Kerrey's courageous and inspiring leadership, valiant fighting spirit, and tenacious devotion to duty in the face of almost overwhelming opposition sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.

NORRIS, THOMAS R.
Rank and organization: Lieutenant, U.S. Navy, SEAL Advisor, Strategic Technical Directorate Assistance Team, Headquarters, U.S. Military Assistance Command. Place and date: Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 10 to 13 April 1972. Entered service at: Silver Spring, Md. Born: 14 January 1944, Jacksonville, Fla. Citation: Lt. Norris completed an unprecedented ground rescue of 2 downed pilots deep within heavily controlled enemy territory in Quang Tri Province. Lt. Norris, on the night of 10 April, led a 5-man patrol through 2,000 meters of heavily controlled enemy territory, located 1 of the downed pilots at daybreak, and returned to the Forward Operating Base (FOB). On 11 April, after a devastating mortar and rocket attack on the small FOB, Lt. Norris led a 3-man team on 2 unsuccessful rescue attempts for the second pilot. On the afternoon of the 12th, a forward air controller located the pilot and notified Lt. Norris. Dressed in fishermen disguises and using a sampan, Lt. Norris and 1 Vietnamese traveled throughout that night and found the injured pilot at dawn. Covering the pilot with bamboo and vegetation, they began the return journey, successfully evading a North Vietnamese patrol. Approaching the FOB, they came under heavy machinegun fire. Lt. Norris called in an air strike which provided suppression fire and a smoke screen, allowing the rescue party to reach the FOB. By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, undaunted courage, and selfless dedication in the face of extreme danger, Lt. Norris enhanced the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.

THORNTON, MICHAEL EDWIN
Rank and organization: Petty Officer, U.S. Navy, Navy Advisory Group. Place and date: Republic of Vietnam, 31 October 1972. Entered service at: Spartanburg, S.C. Born: 23 March 1949, Greenville, S.C. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while participating in a daring operation against enemy forces. PO Thornton, as Assistant U.S. Navy Advisor, along with a U.S. Navy lieutenant serving as Senior Advisor, accompanied a 3-man Vietnamese Navy SEAL patrol on an intelligence gathering and prisoner capture operation against an enemy-occupied naval river base. Launched from a Vietnamese Navy junk in a rubber boat, the patrol reached land and was continuing on foot toward its objective when it suddenly came under heavy fire from a numerically superior force. The patrol called in naval gunfire support and then engaged the enemy in a fierce firefight, accounting for many enemy casualties before moving back to the waterline to prevent encirclement. Upon learning that the Senior Advisor had been hit by enemy fire and was believed to be dead, PO Thornton returned through a hail of fire to the lieutenant's last position; quickly disposed of 2 enemy soldiers about to overrun the position, and succeeded in removing the seriously wounded and unconscious Senior Naval Advisor to the water's edge. He then inflated the lieutenant's lifejacket and towed him seaward for approximately 2 hours until picked up by support craft. By his extraordinary courage and perseverance, PO Thornton was directly responsible for saving the life of his superior officer and enabling the safe extraction of all patrol members, thereby upholding the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.

This list may be incomplete. Please also note that some of the earlier medals were awarded for non-combat heroism.

70 posted on 01/24/2003 7:54:59 PM PST by JAWs
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To: JAWs
Thanks JAWS. I appreciate you looking up the medal recipients for the days thread.
71 posted on 01/24/2003 8:01:06 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: AntiJen
OHH Good evening Anti Jen well I been troll around on news wires check out Brit papers to Ananova site

A report off BBC wire reporting that Spain cops busted some perps connect to AL Quada network who might poison water supply of Madrid

Late breaking news off Ananova site Israel tanks busted down crib of known Hamas member killing his little girl but also whack Jr member of Hamas who was crashing over his crib
72 posted on 01/24/2003 8:13:07 PM PST by SevenofNine (WAR RAIDER NATION)
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To: SAMWolf
My wife's favorite singer.

I saw him in Longbeach,CA in the late 60's or early 70's. He traveled with a 52 piece band. He put on a fine show, it was great. Most of the tunes he played that night were from the Album "A Hot August Night". He is not my favorite, but he is good.

73 posted on 01/24/2003 8:20:44 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Diver Dave
Hey Dave, good to see you and everyone else.
74 posted on 01/24/2003 8:22:44 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: The Real Deal
Evening Real Deal. I liked his early stuff. And I do love hiw "Coming to America"
75 posted on 01/24/2003 8:36:28 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: The Real Deal
Good to see you, too. Kinda miss those good old days when we FReeped Condit together. Now, once again, we've been invaded by the media because of another missing woman.
76 posted on 01/24/2003 8:57:04 PM PST by Diver Dave
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To: SAMWolf
Fifty-Seven Years of Change in the Military


1945 - NCOs had a typewriter on their desks for doing daily
reports.
2002 - Everyone has an Internet-accessible computer, and
they wonder why no work is getting done.

1945 - We painted pictures of girls on airplanes to remind
us of home.
2002 - Do it now and see what happens.

1945 - If you got drunk off duty your buddies would take
you back to the barracks to sleep it off.
2002 - If you get drunk they slap you in rehab and ruin
your career.

1945 - You were taught to aim at your enemy and shoot him.
2002 - You spray 500 bullets into the brush, don't hit
anything, and retreat because you're out of ammo.

1945 - Canteens were made of steel, and you could heat
coffee or hot chocolate in them.
2002 - Canteens are made of plastic, you can't heat
anything in them, and they always taste like
plastic.

1945 - They collected enemy intelligence and analyzed it.
2002 - They collect your pee and analyze it.

1945 - If you didn't act right, the 1st Sergeant put you
in the brig until you straightened up.
2002 - If you don't act right, they start a paper trail
that follows you forever.

1945 - Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at
the risk of their own.
2002 - Medals are awarded to people who work at
headquarters.

1945 - You slept in barracks like a soldier.
2002 - You sleep in a dormitory like a college kid.

1945 - You ate in a mess hall.
2002 - You eat in a dining facility.

1945 - If you wanted beer and conversation you went to the
NCO or Officer's Club.
2002 - The beer will cost you $2.75, membership is often
forced, and someone is watching how much you drink.

1945 - The Post Exchange had bargains for soldiers who
didn't make much money.
2002 - You can get better and cheaper merchandise at
Walmart and K-Mart.

1945 - Mouth off to a sergeant and you'd remember it for
awhile.
2002 - Do it now and get handed a "time-out" card.

1945 - We called the enemy names like "Krauts" and "Japs"
because we didn't like them.
2002 - We call the enemy the "opposing force"
or "aggressor" because we don't want to offend
anyone.

1945 - A commander would put his butt on the line to
protect his people.
2002 - A commander will put his people on the line to
protect his butt.

1945 - Wars were planned and run by generals with lots of
important victories.
2002 - Wars are planned by equivocating politicians
looking for personal victories.

1945 - All you could think about was getting out and
becoming a civilian again.
2002 - They may suggest that you take an early out.


77 posted on 01/24/2003 9:00:44 PM PST by quietolong
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To: quietolong
Some of those are too close to the truth to be funny.
78 posted on 01/24/2003 9:02:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: aomagrat
Hello Naval officianado

That is a great picture of USS Rockford.
I really enjoy the visual of warships in measure 21/22 camo.

BU Ships really packed alot of ordinance into those little Patrol Frigates.
Was reading about USS Tacoma in seaclassics...she was sent to the Aluetians too in late 44.
The Destroyer squadron our family's can serving in was withdrawn from the Aluetians in Aug 44.
Have not come accross any documentation..but it seems Cincpac arranged for Tin cans to be released when the PF's were available.
Aluetians was rough...DD-520 had her sonar dome torn off..other cans suffered hull plate buckling from heavy seas.
Still..the little PF's would have lots to do up Dutch Harbor and Adak way....stationing at sea while the Long range bombers went out to pound Paramashiro and Matsuwa.
The Aluetian theatre seldom gets mention in the history books...yet hundreds of vessels from subs to fleet tenders endured the harsh weather..stood station to rescue downed airmen...and gave the Japanese a good throtling when they could.
** Comical note concerning the Aluetians**

Moored offshore at Dutch Harbor..an officer on DD-520 saw a fellow officer walk toward him during the night watch.
The appraoching officer called out for the gig to be readied..he was going to go ashore.
With a few sailors scurrying about there was a splash..then a call.."Man overboard"!
Looking over the flying bridge the one officer noticed his friend in the water cursing.
later it was discovered that the one officer had dressed himself..conveyed orders..all while sleepwalking.
talk about a wake up call!

79 posted on 01/24/2003 9:03:45 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: aomagrat
Good to see a fellow BB stacker here
80 posted on 01/24/2003 9:09:46 PM PST by quietolong
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