The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Pearl Harbor - Dec. 7, 2002

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[Victoria Delsoul]

Good post, Sam.

Thank you.

[My back yard]

Nice going Sam. Great graphics and interesting reading.

[SAMWolf]

The Huertgen Forest and the Ardennes had lots of casualties caused by artillery hitting the thick tree cover.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks. I'm glad you found it interesting, to many kids today have no idea about Pearl Harbor and what it meant to this Country.

[PsyOp]

"While flying over France, I was continually struck with the amount of human effort that had been spent in the construction of trenches and other lethal agents during both this and WWI. A pacifist could get a splendid text for a sermon on human frailty from such monuments to the evil of war. But he could get even better arguments against himself by looking at the cemeteries, where each little white cross attests to the human folly which has invariably resulted in more wars." - General George S. Patton, Jr., War as I Knew It. 1947.

In case anyone is wondering, "War As I Knew It" was published by Patton's wife after his death. It's a collection of his official and un-official writings and orders edited with the help of Patton's senior aid during the war.

[PsyOp]

"Pacifists would do well to study the Siegfried and Maginot Lines, remembering that these defenses were forced; that Troy fell; that the walls of Hadrian succumbed; that the Great Wall of China was futile; and that, by the same token, the mighty seas which are alleged to defend us can also be circumvented by a resolute and ingenious opponent. In war, the only sure defense is offense, and the efficiency of offense depends on the warlike souls of those conducting it." - General George S. Patton, Jr., War as I Knew It. 1947.

[PsyOp]

"Germany is now fortifying the Rhine zone, or is about to fortify it. No doubt it will take some time. We are told that in the first instance only field entrrenchments will be erected, but those who know to what perfection the Germans can carry field entrenchments like the Hindenburg Line, with all the masses of concrete and the underground chambers included — those who remember that will realize that field entrenchments differ only in degree from permanent fortifications, and work steadily up from the first cutting of the sods to their final and perfect form." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, April 6, 1936.

[PsyOp]

"There is another more obvious difference from 1914. The whole of the warring nations are engaged, not only the soldiers, but the entire population, men, women and children. The fronts are everywhere. The trenches are dug in towns and streets. Every village is fortified. Every road is barred. The front line runs through factories. The workmen are soldiers with different weapons but the same courage. These are great and distinctive changes from what many of us saw in the struggle of a quarter of a century ago." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. August 20, 1940.

[SAMWolf]

IMHO Winston Churchill was one of the great Statesmen of the 20th Century. Some of his military ideas where on the crazy side but as a Statesman he's hard to beat.

[Jen]

>>Islamic society used to be far more advanced than Christian society, so when Bush praises it as having many great achievements, he is correct.<<<

Bob, I think you replied to the wrong person or thread. I didn't make that statement and I sure don't agree with it either.

Jen <><

[MistyCA]

I am sure there were survivors from the Arizona. It would be incredible to actually meet one and hear their story. You were fortunate!

[PsyOp]

"'Why me?' That is the soldier's first question, asked each morning as the patrols go out and each evening as the night settles around the foxholes." - William Broyales, Jr.

[MistyCA]

There is a list of USS Arizona survivors at this site Click here

[PsyOp]

The Huertgen Forest and the Ardennes...

I believe that he was making reference to both those battles when he issued that order.

[PsyOp]

IMHO Winston Churchill

On my profile page there is a link to a posting of Churchill quotes you might want to take a look at.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Great post, Carlo. Thanks so much.

[SAMWolf]

I've been to the Ardennes, there's places there you couldn't dig a foxhole and no be under a tree. I can't believe the Germans tried to push Armor through there and in the middle of the winter yet.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks. I checked it out. You've got some good quotes there.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Thanks Misty. :-)

[SAMWolf]

Thanks for all the great Patton quotes.

I can't picture Patton sounding as anyone but George C. Scott ever since they made that movie.