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To: Iris7
Since this is the Foxhole--a haven of gentle camaraderie and overall flame free zone--I'm going to put this as gently as I can.

It wouldn't have worked out that way. Ditto for the speculations in post #10.

Peace.

12 posted on 09/23/2005 2:08:40 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: A Jovial Cad
Very likely not. There is more than a little "flight of fancy" here. Sometimes the just barely possible imaginary historical sequences are simply the most gratifying.

I remember reading that Cromwell's early regiment contained a large fraction of returning Puritans from the colonies who then acted as training cadre for what later became New Model Army doctrine. (Ten - fifteen years ago read a lot on the English Civil War.) The Protectorate was popular but not universally, shall we say. Anyway, it is hard to see how the Puritan spirit could have tolerated a Catholic king. Remember how close in time we are here to the Gunpowder Plot, to Elizabeth's Act of Supremacy and to Francis Walsingham' spy networks, secret police, torturers, and prisons. (A fascinating time and character.)

On the other hand, James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose, came close enough to defeating the Roundheads that they feared and hated him. Treasonous Campbells, anyway!

Momentous events so finely balanced,and as my fascination with war is fascination with Statecraft (as well as strategy and tactics) I try to pick apart the historical tangled threads, contemplating long ago decisions and personalities, the trends in ideas. "Why did he or she do this and not that?"

How about Walsingham's two favorite aphorisms, "there is less danger in fearing too much than too little", and "there is nothing more dangerous than security".

The Andrews Cross on the Stars and Stripes is 99% whimsy. A reminder that history turns on small details. Since this is so, every minute is a time for optimism.
20 posted on 09/23/2005 7:10:18 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father." Last words of His Holiness John Paul II)
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To: A Jovial Cad; Iris7

Now now. You should be able to discuss the reasons why you don't believe the way Iris7 does. This is a place for intellegent conversation and quite frankly I'd be interested in why you disagree. Just state your reasons. Heck, we even have civil Civil War discussions here. :-)


26 posted on 09/23/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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