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Ron Paul: Utah turnout wows candidate
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| 9/16/07
| Sheena McFarland
Posted on 09/16/2007 6:05:18 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
What makes him a wacko? The fact that he worked for Ron Paul for so long? If that’s the case then I agree, but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong when he relates what happened when the vote for force in afghanistan was up. Given Paul’s softness on the WOT, it shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Atleast he was sane enough to stop working for a anti-war conspiracy theorist, I’ll give him that.
“Paul takes the supposed war on terror seriously enough to have serious objections to measures that may be an unconstitutional infringement on the liberties of American Citizens.”
O that is such BS. Him being more worried about a terrorist in guantanamo not being comfy enough or a cell member not having his phone call listened to while he’s calling his buddies in pakistan than the potential for millions of american deaths means he’s serious about the war on terror? I’m not buying it, and no one else here does either.
And a lot of people fault bush for not taking care of illegal immigration and the border. Mostly it’s because the GOP doesn’t want to scare away hispanic voters (my guess). But not one of the hijackers who attacked us on 9/11 was here illegally. They all had visas. None of them even crossed the mexican border. Most of them were also saudi arabian, but that in itself doesn’t give us leverage to attack Saudi Arabia.
And bringing up Saudi Arabia as if to say Ron Paul WOULD “deal decisively with them” is silly. Ron Paul supports an isolationist foreign policy.
To: Tears of a Clown
“And bringing up Saudi Arabia as if to say Ron Paul WOULD deal decisively with them is silly. Ron Paul supports an isolationist foreign policy.”
“Dealing decisively” with someone doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to kick their ass. There are other ways to deal with problems, as we’ve all learned in adulthood.
To: the tongue
I don’t know many adults who say they ignore the problem and hope it goes away. Most would probably confront it head on.
The Ron Paul Doctrine when it comes to foreign policy is, in a nutshell, “Ignore the problem and hope it goes away”
In an increasingly globalized world, with the US as the sole superpower, that just ain’t gonna work.
To: Tears of a Clown
One of the problems with the American mindset is that when things are done, they must be done NOW. We could set plans in motion that would timebomb the economy of these despotic sheikdoms. We could ruin them while assuring our own security, economically.
To: Tai_Chung
If we pulled our troops out of the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and elsewhere I have no doubt the United States would be at much greater risk of attack and the next war front would be on the US boarder. We would have no military allies because Ron Paul doesnt believe in them. He would not even help England or Australia.
We have already pulled our troops out of parts of Asia after conflicts (Korea and Vietnam). Both of those examples were a far cry from victory for the US.
The best way to get along with a nation is to TRADE with them. Our relationship with Vietnam has improved big time... a lot of the improvement is because of trade.
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posted on
09/16/2007 2:45:07 PM PDT
by
BigTom85
(Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
To: George W. Bush; KDD; JTN
pic from the event:
From:
http://www.nationalexpositor.com/index.php?news=360
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posted on
09/16/2007 3:43:25 PM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: George W. Bush
I feel really sorry for you Paulbots. To be for Isolationism in a post 09-11 world one has to be even more mentally incompetent then the American Firsters were in 1940.
Rather then screaming scorn at everyone who tells you the hard truths about the world, and your deranged god Paul, you should make peace with the reality that not only is Paul a simple minded lunatic, he also is never going to be anything other then a crackpot congress critter from Texas.
The people who support Paul are either old senile Buchannaites who choose to forget their former god got less then 1% of the vote nation wide in 2000 or rabid Moveon.org stooges who think Paul will be their ticket to split the Conservative base for the Democrats in 2008. Most of these latter ones will never vote for him, or any Republican, in a general election.
But do keep posting. These threads have become as much fun then the old ZOT threads were. Going to be great fun reposting them after the 1st primary so we can watch you all rationalize away why Paul got his butt kicked.
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posted on
09/16/2007 3:49:25 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
To: the tongue
Really? Perhaps you can explain to me where the Constitution authorized Earmarks? How earmarking $400 million dollars to fat cat special interest groups over the years shows Paul acting as a “limited Govt Conservative? How Paul, a purported "limited Govt Conservative” can defend Earmarks as a “necessary tool of Congress”?
Paul is a hypocritical fraud. He pushes all the rhetorical emotional hot buttons of the fringes while being just another good old boy politician in his actions
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posted on
09/16/2007 4:00:14 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
To: George W. Bush; NapkinUser; Rush4U
Free Republic is a bastion of the Right. Freeper Members are all committed likely voters and activists. If Paul cannot win here, he cannot win anywhere. Latest Freeper polling numbers.
Fred Thompson 50.0% 1,376
Duncan Hunter 21.3% 587
Other/undecided 6.1% 167
Mitt Romney 6.0% 165
Ron Paul 5.3% 146
Rudy Giuliani 4.9% 134
Tom Tancredo 3.0% 82
Mike Huckabee 2.5% 69
John McCain 0.5% 15
Sam Brownback 0.3% 9
99.9% 2,750
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posted on
09/16/2007 4:11:45 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
To: Jason_b
First I do not recall calling you a nut.
Second are you comparing Paul to Washington? If I lived in Washington’s time I might feel different, but get over it this is now and it now we need to be concerned for a strong defense. Third no matter what you said about Paul not blaming us for 9/11, you can believe what you want. I have heard him say it out right, imply it and by default the people who support him (some groups of truthers). Forth I really do not think I called you a nut but since you keep thinking I did, I just wonder what voices you are listening to.
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posted on
09/16/2007 5:32:44 PM PDT
by
svcw
(There is no plan B.)
To: George W. Bush
I heard him say he blamed us for 9/11, he has implied it and there are groups who actively support him who believe it and that he is on their side.
I do not support anyone who does not support Israel - period.
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posted on
09/16/2007 5:34:45 PM PDT
by
svcw
(There is no plan B.)
To: MNJohnnie
Really? Perhaps you can explain to me where the Constitution authorized Earmarks? How earmarking $400 million dollars to fat cat special interest groups over the years shows Paul acting as a limited Govt Conservative? How Paul, a purported "limited Govt Conservative can defend Earmarks as a necessary tool of Congress?
It is part of the standard budgetary authority. It has been practiced since the earliest days of the Republic. Paul doesn't object to earmarks. He objects to using them to funnel pork or for unconstitutional purposes. And that $400 million in submitted earmarks is not "over the years". That's just what he submitted this year since he merely passes along what his constituents submit to the relevant committees. And earmarks are a necessary tool of Congress if dealing with an agency with different budget priorities. If they do not allow earmarks, then an agency, say Department of Education, could allocate all the funds they are granted in the budget to something that every member of Congress absolutely opposes. And Congress would be powerless. Earmarks are a tool for Congess to prevent money they authorized being spent for things they don't want. And porky earmarks which Paul does oppose are things greedy congresscritters slip in for their own advantage, slicing off funds for relatives and friends and cronies (Murtha).
To: MNJohnnie
Free Republic is a bastion of the Right. Freeper Members are all committed likely voters and activists. If Paul cannot win here, he cannot win anywhere. Latest Freeper polling numbers.
That is exactly where you are wrong, Johnnie. A strong constitutionalist and libertarian who is essentially small-government can in fact win big with hard Right, indy and even Dim voters.
FR is no longer hard Right exactly and is much more estalishment GOP on many, perhaps most, issues. You are yourself like this, I think. I'm not criticizing it (provided no one advocates socialism or open borders). It's natural FR would become far more establishment during a majoritarian period than it was during the Xlinton era. And Ron Paul does have some pretty strong support here among pre-Bush FReepers.
To: traviskicks
All those people aren’t really there. One guy just “spammed” them all.
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posted on
09/16/2007 6:13:03 PM PDT
by
JTN
(If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
To: JTN
Or perhaps it was ‘photo-shopped’. :)
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posted on
09/16/2007 6:51:56 PM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: svcw
Uhh, Ron Paul supports Israel. He wants to stop restraining them so they can nuke Iran and Syria if they continue to attack.
All anyone else offers is more ass-kissing. It is insulting to see Israeli leaders shaking hands with murderers in the Rose Garden while Palestinian terrorists carry M-16’s made in USA paid for with USA tax dollars.
We could support Israel by taking off their handcuffs and letting them defend themselves. They have 100 nukes. Let them drop a few on Iran and Syria. It’s their neighborhood after all.
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posted on
09/16/2007 9:31:59 PM PDT
by
t_skoz
("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
To: Tai_Chung
What happens when we fight a war that will take “a generation or more” and that WE CAN NOT WIN? We will bankrupt our nation and we will be without liberty, security, or prosperity. Meanwhile the party establishment hacks will continue to bankrupt us through inflation and taxation, and will continue to endanger our national security through wide open borders, the North American Union, and imperialistic foreign policy.
That is not the definition of conservatism, my friend... it’s the definition of idiocy.
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posted on
09/16/2007 9:35:07 PM PDT
by
t_skoz
("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
To: lormand
So it’s cool when a bunch of baby killing, nanny state, tax and spend, adulterous, war mongering psychopaths call themselves Republicans and ruin our country, but the second that a young person with dyed hair and a shirt that you don’t like supports someone you agree with on probably 85% of conservative issues (I’ll go out on a limb here and say your main objection to Ron Paul is foreign policy), they’re dirty stinking hippies and there’s no room in this big tent for those freaks!
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posted on
09/16/2007 9:40:23 PM PDT
by
t_skoz
("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
To: MNJohnnie
Ron Paul is winning straw polls all over the country. Hundreds of supporters in every city are hitting the streets spreading the message of traditional Republican values and Ron Paul’s candidacy.
FReepers, by and large, are keyboard warriors not political activists. I am not concerned that they are against Ron Paul. Those hundreds of thousands of Republicans taking to the streets are the ones people should be interested in listening to.
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posted on
09/16/2007 9:52:32 PM PDT
by
t_skoz
("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
To: t_skoz
"So its cool when a bunch of baby killing, nanny state, tax and spend, adulterous, war mongering psychopaths call themselves Republicans and ruin our country, but the second that a young person with dyed hair and a shirt that you dont like supports someone you agree with on probably 85% of conservative issues (Ill go out on a limb here and say your main objection to Ron Paul is foreign policy), theyre dirty stinking hippies and theres no room in this big tent for those freaks!" That picture was taken from an anti-war rally in San Francisco that also included some smelly hippies who were Ron Paul fans. When you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.
I love it when you Paulistinians step in it.
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posted on
09/17/2007 6:56:46 AM PDT
by
lormand
(Ron Paul - Surrender/Suicide Monkey for GOP nominee.)
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