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To: Jim Robinson
I'm surprised and disappointed to read this, Jim. You're basically absolving Bush for signing this un-Constitutional piece of crap into law in the first place. Where was the much-warranted veto? Why did the SCOTUS get the case in the first place? For that matter, why did Bush have the opportunity to sign such a bill with the GOP in control of the entire Congress?

Let's put the blame where the blame belongs, not just where it's convenient.

21 posted on 12/11/2003 9:36:59 PM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
I have to agree with you.the oath of office doesn't say let the courts figure it out,it says you must uphold the constitution!!!!period.the CFR.is unconstitutional on it's face.NO EXCUSE SIR!!!
33 posted on 12/11/2003 10:39:58 PM PST by buccaneer (no rats on my ship !)
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
I believe that during the campaign, Bush ill-advisedly promised to sign a campaign finance reform bill if delivered to his desk. Probably some kind of compromise with McCain. And who knows? Without that compromise, we may very well have had President Gore.

Again, it doesn't excuse a bad bill, but I don't think the ^conservative Republicans actually had majority control when this passed. In fact, I believe the Democrats had majority control of the senate at the time.

http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2002&rollnumber=34

In the House it passed 240 yea to 189 nay with 6 not voting (5 of those Republican). Almost all of the Democrats voted for it and very few Republicans. The vast majority of the Republicans (178) voted no, while only 11 Democrats voted against it. Only 41 Republicans voted for the bill, but a whopping 198 Democrats voted yes.

It passed the Senate 59 to 41. All but two of the Senate Democrats plus McCain and 11 rinos voted for the bill. Again, the vast majority of the Republican senators voted against it.

In sumamry, the vast majority of the Democrats along with the help of a relatively small minority of Rinos passed the bill.

Yes, President Bush should've vetoed it, and that was a major mistake as far as I'm concerned, but there is no mistaking the fact that this was a basically a DEMOCRAT passed bill.

The conclusion is not that we should abandon the Republicans, the most of whom did not support this fiasco, but we should boot the jackass Democrats, the majority of whom did.

And there's no way we should boot Bush. That'd only make matters much worse. We lose the presidency, we lose the majority and we'll lose big time to a liberal activist judiciary for the next 40 years. Do not make the mistake of turning the majority power back over to the Democrats. Enough already! Vote the rat bastards out!

35 posted on 12/11/2003 10:52:19 PM PST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
Despite the botattack's, you're absolutely right! Blackbird.
128 posted on 12/12/2003 5:19:01 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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