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Matthew 16:13-19 exegesis
Catena Aurea ^ | 13th Century | St. ThomasSAquinas

Posted on 09/25/2003 4:49:36 AM PDT by Catholicguy

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Douai notes on Matthew 16:18 "By this promise we are fully assured that neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any time prevail over the Church of Christ."

A Catholic cannot sever a single Bond of Unity, whether it be the Bond of Worship, Doctrine,or Authority, and pretend in doing so he is preserving "Tradition" when Tradition itself teaches Rome will not fall into heresy.

Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia is Tradition.

1 posted on 09/25/2003 4:49:36 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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Trent on Scriptures:

Furthermore, in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall,--in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, --wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,--whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures,--hath held and doth hold; or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers; even though such interpretations were never (intended) to be at any time published. Contraveners shall be made known by their Ordinaries, and be punished with the penalties by law established.

I leave it to schismatics and those that succor them to war incessantly against Tradition in their sisyphean struggle to prove Rome and the Pope are in error and they are preserving the truth.

If that is so, let them post ONE Catholic Church Father who teaches such an absurdity that schism preserves truth.

2 posted on 09/25/2003 5:01:00 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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Pope St. Clement, 80 A.D.

Letter to the Corinthians: Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well-established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters...so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord and create a danger for yourselves....Love endures all things, is long-suffering in everything. There is nothing vulgar in love, nothing haughty. Love makes no schism...You, therefore, who laid the foundation of the rebellion, submit to your presbyters and be chastened to repentance, bending your knees in a spirit of humility."

3 posted on 09/25/2003 5:15:58 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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Letter of Barnabas A.D. 117/132

You shall not make a schism...

4 posted on 09/25/2003 5:18:04 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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St. Ignatius of Antioch, Leter to the Ephesians, 110 A.D.

For Jesus Christ, our inseperable life, is the will of the Father, just as the bishops, who have been appointed throughout the world, are the will of Jesus Christ. It is fitting, therefore, that you should live in harmony with the will of the bishop - as,indeed, you do. Let us be careful, then, if we should be submissive to God, not to oppose the Bishop

5 posted on 09/25/2003 5:22:53 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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St. Ignatius of Antioch , Letter to the Philadelphians, 110 A.D.

Those, inded, who belong to God and Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

6 posted on 09/25/2003 5:29:18 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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To: Loyalist
Can you ping the Schismatic Orcs for their edification? Thanks
7 posted on 09/25/2003 5:31:38 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; ultima ratio; Maximilian; narses; third double; St.Chuck; Aquinasfan; ...
FYI
8 posted on 09/25/2003 5:34:38 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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Thanks for the post.....I've read through about half of it. I learned something new from it. The quote from Jerome that the reference was not about His particular person, but rather the meaning of the title and its person's object reveals much as Christ Himself identifies what is provided by the Father.

Do you know if Jerome's position is also the official stance of the RCC?
10 posted on 09/25/2003 6:13:24 AM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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Can you cut'n'paste what line you are referring to?
11 posted on 09/25/2003 6:44:55 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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Thanks. Benedicamus Domino
12 posted on 09/25/2003 6:45:38 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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The extracts of the Acts of the Council of Ephesus are most edifying in this regard too.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3810.htm

Philip, presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: "We offer our thanks to the holy and venerable Synod, that when the writings of our holy and blessed pope had been read to you, the holy members by our [or your] holy voices, you joined yourselves to the holy head also by your holy acclamations. For your blessedness is not ignorant that the head of the whole faith, the head of the Apostles, is blessed Peter the Apostle. And since now our mediocrity, after having been tempest-tossed and much vexed, has arrived, we ask that ye give order that there be laid before us what things were done in this holy Synod before our arrival; in order that according to the opinion of our blessed pope and of this present holy assembly, we likewise may ratify their determination."

Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: "There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince (exarchos) and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation (themelios) of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed pope Celestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place, and us he sent to supply his place in this holy synod, which the most humane and Christian Emperors have commanded to assemble, bearing in mind and continually watching over the Catholic faith. For they both have kept and are now keeping intact the apostolic doctrine handed down to them from their most pious and humane grandfathers and fathers of holy memory down to the present time, etc."



13 posted on 09/25/2003 6:47:45 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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St. Cyprian of Carthage ("The African Pope") Letter to Florentius Pupianus, 254 A.D.

You have written on my account the Church now has a portion of itself in a state of dispersion. In truth, the whole people of the Church are collected together and made one and joined to each other in an indivisible harmony. They alone have remained outside who, were they within, would have to be ejected...And the Lord too, in the Gospel, when the disciples abandoned Him while He was speaking, turned to the twelve and said, "and do you too wish to go away?" Peter answered Him, saying, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the word of eternal life; and we believe and know that you are the Son of the Living God."

There speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ. The people joined to the priest and the flock clinging to their shephers are the Church.

You ought to know, then, that the bishop is in the Church and the Church in the bishop; and if someone is not with the bishop, he is not in the Church. They vainly flatter themselves who creep up, not having peace with the priests of God, believing they are secretly in communion with certain individuals. For the Church, which is One and Catholic, is not split or divided, but it is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere to one another.

14 posted on 09/25/2003 7:01:56 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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Dear Catholicguy,

You won't get any argument here.


sitetest
15 posted on 09/25/2003 7:03:14 AM PDT by sitetest
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St. Cyprian, Letter to a certain Magnus, 255 A.D.

The Church is one; and it is not possible to be both within and without what is one. If the Church is around Novatian, it is not around Cornelius. And indeed, if it was around Cornelius, who suceeded Bishop Fabian by a legitimate ordination and whom the Lord glorified with martyrdom even beyond the honor of the priesthood, then Novatian is not in the Church, nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, since, in contempt of evangelic and apostolic tradition, he suceeded to no one but sprang up of himself. He that was not ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold the Church in any way.

16 posted on 09/25/2003 7:10:10 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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St. Irenaeus, Agaijnst Heresies, 180/199 A.D.

A truly spiritual disciple shall judge those who make a schism and are destitute of the love of God, who look to their own advantage rather than to the unity of the Church, who for any kind of trifling reason cut apart and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and destroy it insofar as they are able - men who talk of peace while making war.

17 posted on 09/25/2003 7:19:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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bump for later read
18 posted on 09/25/2003 7:21:42 AM PDT by Varda
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St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 180/199A.D.

But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the sucessions of all the Churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the sucesssions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.

19 posted on 09/25/2003 7:27:06 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Philadelphians, 110 A.D.

I cried out while I was in your midst, I spoke with a loud voice, the voice of God. "Gove heed to your bishop and the presbytery and the deacons." Some suspected me of saying this because I had previous knowledge of the division which certain persons had caused; but He for whom I am in chains is my witness that I had no knowledge of this from any human being. It was the spirit who kept preaching these words; "Do nothing without the bishop, keep your body as the temple of God, love unity, flee from divisions, be imitators of Jesus Christ, as He was imitator of the Father.

20 posted on 09/25/2003 7:32:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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