Elsie spreading the Bull!
Posted on 02/13/2003 6:03:04 PM PST by scripter
Down.
My salvation was assured when I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior at a college Campus Crusade for Christ International presentation in the spring of my freshman year of college; almost 32 years ago. My Salvation does not rely on Joseph Smith nor any other man. It solely rsts of the saving grace of the one Eternal God who sent His Son Jesus Christ to suffer and die on the cross and to be raised up again three days later and then assended into Heaven to sit at th right hand of God the Father and rules the world with Him along with the Holy Spirit.
My faith is based on the historical evidence and truth contained in the Bible and verifiable through recorded history by many Christian and non-Christian historians; hundreds, if not thousands of actual Biblical sites confirmed through archaeological discoveries; the internal consistency of the Bible divinely inspired and written by numerous individuals and verified by external evidence. I could go on, but this is enough.
What does Mormonism have as the basis of its theology? Nothing more that the testimony of a single man who claimed to have translated golden plates. Outside of that, and a 'burning in the bussom', there is no support for the truth of Mormonism. Mormonism relies solely on the claims of one man, Joseph Smith, that he alone is the true messenger of God and that all who disagree with him are tools of the devil/Satan.
I have experienced a 'burning in the bussom'. It was just over 20 months ago when my ex-wife told me she was divorcing me; not in response to a Mormon elder using a cheap psychological trick in order to get me to feel something that really wasn't there (sort of like telling someone to not think about a pink elephant). The burning in my busom was a great heart-ache, a natural reaction to great grief that Mormons often use to entrap their targets into believing that the book of Mormon is true. Emotions are very powerful and when people are desperate, they will sometimes believe almost anything.
On top of all this, remember the words of Christ found in Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who practices falsehood."
No reasonable person can question that Joseph Smith practiced magic arts: the stones, secret rites taken directly from Free Masonry, secret names, secret hand-shakes, etc.; was sexually immoral; nor that he loved and practiced falshoods. And just how many of his prophesies have come true. Leaders of cults seem to have a habit of acquiring 'divine revelation' that covers there sins when they are about to be exposed.
The entire theology of Mormonism rests on the words on one man, Joseph Smith, and nothing else. Like other cults, Mormonism leaves no room for disagreement within the church concerning theological issues, even though the Mormon Church has made many significant theological changes to fit a given situation or when a theological point is exposed which even Mormons can defend or be willing to face the ridicule from the world by maintaqining it. you think it was a mere coincidence that the Living Prophet had a revelation that polygamy was no longer permitted just at the time the U.S. said Utah would not be admitted to the Union of the several states unless the territory outlawed polygamy? Obviously staying truthful to the theological precepts and teachings of Joseph Smith are subserviant to the dictates of the government when worldly benefits ar at stake.
In Christ's day, the Pharisees scorned John the Baptist, they scorned Christ's apostles and the scorned Christ Himself.
All that time they claimed "Abraham to our Father," and to follow Moses, and to revere all the Prophets before.
Christ Himself stated that a prophet was without honor in his own country. Like you, the people in Christ's day were effusive in their praise for the prophets of the past--the same ones who, in their day, were rejected by THEIR contemporaries.
You cannot get around it, try as you might. You can ignore Joseph Smith, you can ignore the Book of Mormon, you can ignore YOUR prophet who presides in YOUR day, Gordon B. Hinckley. You can act as the Pharisees in Christ's time, in Paul's time, but you cannot avoid the judgement in rejecting the prophets of your time.
This is not a permanent indictment, of course; you can turn it right around if you will humble yourself, and ask the Lord for the Truth. You are JUST AS IMPORTANT as I, or anyone else on this earth.
YOU TOO can be "the elect," this is YOUR CHOICE, regardless of what this mindless "Calvinists" will tell you (at least for now; their message changes every generation anyway).
It is in YOUR hands.
I never understand when you people make this statement. The fact that you obey the commandment of Christ, to accept Him, is "working to ensure your salvation."
You do not understand the Bible. You use "Bible-Prime," filtered through the spurious "Creeds" that took the place of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You do not understand that salvation is a journey, not a destination. In fact, you do not really even understand the MEANING of salvation, of eternal life.
There are so many holes in your undertanding, and it is amazing to me that you aren't curious about those gaps.
WHY was Christ resurrected? Why are WE to be resurrected? What did Peter mean when he explained that Christ was preaching to the souls who perished in the flood?
Just a few little questions, to point out how there are such huge gaps in your understanding, which you patch over with the old, tired saw about "being saved, but I didn't do anything for it."
We can't save ourselves. That's absolutely true. But it is patently ridiculous to then go forward and state that we have no responsibility for ourselves, that it doesn't matter what choices we make.
Satan is gratified when that is the limit of our understanding, but it does NOT please God.
I was baptized by one who had authority FROM CHRIST, who was commissioned BY CHRIST, to administer that baptism. This man had the authority; no one connected with your baptism had a shred of it.
It is fortunate for you--far more wonderful than your "dark lord" doctrine you espouse--that you have every opportunity to repent, be baptized and become one with the Saints of God.
Join with the Saints, and enjoy the fruit of the tree.
The secret you don't understand is that your mother, and all of us, will continue to learn and grow after this life.
We do all we can do; the Savior does the rest.
Childlike, you can sit there and tell yourself you're queen of the World if you like. It is just as pointless when you sit there and claim you're the "sole Christians."
You're all right when you say that we worship a "different Christ" than you do. Your Christ loathes and depises us all, just as your lovely Calvinist ministers in their heyday loved to claim--and still claim.
I want nothing to do with your false Christ.
I will take the actual Christ, the savior of the world, and the one who committed the keys of the Latter-Day kingdom to His Prophet, Joseph Smith.
He is the real Christ. Come and know him, and abandon these philosophies of men mingled with scripture.
You have skipped thirty or forty other prophets and apostles in this dispensation, of course (not to mention the fact that keys of the kingdom being committed to Joseph by Christ Himself, in the Kirtland Ohio temple at Passover, 1831, with Elijah appearing just as Malachi prophesied.
Reject it if you wish, that is your right.
Unfortunately for you, you have no right to choose the consequences of your choice. If you do not repent and accept Joseph as the prophet of the latter-day dispensation, you will be held liable for that by the Savior Himself.
You blasheme, knowing not God, because you reject His word to His people:
1)If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2) And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3) Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4) Ye shall walk after teh LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
You should be very fortunate that we do not stone false prophets any more, but do be assured that a far worse judgement awaits them. You need to repent of following false prophets that lead you away from the One and Only True God.
You cannot get around it, try as you might. You can ignore Joseph Smith, you can ignore the Book of Mormon, you can ignore YOUR prophet who presides in YOUR day, Gordon B. Hinckley. You can act as the Pharisees in Christ's time, in Paul's time, but you cannot avoid the judgement in rejecting the prophets of your time.
Gordon B. Hinkley is a false prophet and twice the child of Hell as any of his disciples.
Repent of your blasphemy
Talk about a Freudian slip.... Or maybe it wasn't.
CDL posted Genesis Chapter 3, specifically these verses:
3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Illbay then responds with "Join with the Saints, and enjoy the fruit of the tree."
Boy that is really spooky.
Illbay, did you listen to yourself?
You have partaken of the forbidden tree thinking you may someday become a god. It ain't gonna happen. Don't continue to eat at that tree, Illbay. It will poison your soul forever.
OOPS! Adam already made that mistake for me...and he didn't enjoy it.
Christ took the consequences of that and all of my subsequent sin, kept the law in my place, enabled me to be justified in the sight of God, and gave me the fruit of the Spirit.
You can hear the hiss of the serpent in your statement..."Join with the SSSSSSSaints"...
Heresy? or Not??
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Like Dracula hates the sunlight, Illbay foams at the mouth over this line.......
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