Philosophical Problems with the Mormon Concept of God

Christian Research Institute ^ | Francis J. Beckwith

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Too big. too heavy. Needs a buttstock.
But if you want one ---By it!

[restornu]

You are entitled to YOUR opinion AT your OWN detriment!

[Elsie]

Hold that thought!

[Wrigley]

Rest's response is just another one of her attempts to reinforce her self-delusion.

May God end your fight and give you real rest in Christ.

[Elsie]

Perhaps it's kinda like Atomic bombs......

If you show you've GOT them, you never have to USE them!

[restornu]

You been listening to Rush!

[Frumanchu]

restornu (Fu & Ruy- It is so comforting to know that Joseph Smith has holds your recommend:)

I have no idea what you're trying to say here...

[restornu]

You love to shadow folks,
Quack! Quack!

[drstevej]

Fru, Rest thinks Joseph Smith has to punch your ticket to enter heaven. Sadly, JS is the doorkeeper of the Lake of Fire.

She's just gloating. Learned to gloat from Illbay likely. Or perhaps it is that "inner guide" she follows.

[restornu]

Can People Go To Heaven Without Joseph Smith's Consent?

[restornu]

I am NOT gloating it is food for thought!

Peter held the Keys in the last dispensation!

[Frumanchu]

rest, I'm still waiting for any sort of response or defense over here.

[drstevej]

***Peter held the Keys in the last dispensation!***

You guys must have picked his pockets. That's not nice.

The whole Joseph Smith has the keys nonsense is the epitome of that is wrong with Mormonism and why your prophet shouldn't be taken seriously.

[restornu]

BTW- NOT even the LDS has a gaurantee even me, ONLY those who are WORTHY?

[drstevej]

***BTW- NOT even the LDS has a gaurantee even me, ONLY those who are WORTHY?***

Drop Joseph and trust the real Jesus and He will make you worthy through His imputed righteousness.

"Who He justified, them He glorified..." (the real Bible, not the JST)

Restornu, we long for you to be a "whom" and "them" with us!

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"Just as she is without one plea, but that Thy blood was shed for she..."

(join in singing with us)

[Wrigley]

From your tagline

Wrigley- It is so comforting to know that Joseph Smith has holds your recommend.

Why would you want to curse me like that?

[Wrigley]

BTW- NOT even the LDS has a gaurantee even me, ONLY those who are WORTHY?

All- It is so comforting to know that Joseph Smith has holds your recommend.

How can you have any comfort? No matter how hard you work, someone other than Christ Himself controls your salvation.

I have the qaurantee of my ultimate Salvation. My salvation is qauranteed by Christ alone. He is my only comfort in life and in death. He is the Ultimate Comfort. I am gaurranteed.

You have just admited you have no guarantee. Look at that rest, and know from your own words the futility of Mormonism. Its right there, you admitted it yourself.

[Illbay]

Joseph Smith is the patriarch of the latter-day dispensation. He will most certainly have some say-so in the judgement of those who lived in the latter days.

Sorry if this will disappoint you, but I'm sure you'll get over it. Eventually.

[Illbay]

drstevej, your agony will consist in part in your realizing just how UNseriously you are taken by Jesus Christ and His prophet, Joseph Smith, when that day comes.

Oh, if I can just overcome my deep desire to be there to laught derisively! How my pride is such a stumbling-block!

[restornu]

Many traditional Christians envision Peter standing at the "pearly gates." They are uncomfortable with the misunderstanding that Brigham Young said Joseph Smith will take Peter's place. The thoughtful reader, however, will search the entire discourse delivered by Brigham Young and see that this is not what he was teaching.

Each dispensation has a prophet at its head. Moses taught in his dispensation that those who looked to the serpent on a pole would live. This was a type (Alma 33:19) or similitude of the Savior. Those who didn't obey Moses and would not look, didn't live. Accepting what Moses said in that dispensation was the "passport" to life.

As Christ said:
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

But if ye believe NOT his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47)

If they didn't believe in Moses, he wasn't their "passport."

Latter-day Saints do NOT believe Joseph Smith is the keeper of the gate of heaven, nor the one who determines whether we are saved. Some Christians think they will instead meet Peter at the "pearly gates," but The Book of Mormon teaches who will really be the final "gatekeeper":

O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there; and there is none other way save it be by the gate; for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name (2 Nephi 9:41).